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Jeff J Brown: Who would like to start out with something that would be interesting for the fans out there?

Kwan/Quan Lee: Well, I have two subjects.

Amir Khan: Go ahead.

Quan: Go ahead, Amir, if you want.

Amir: Or, yeah, we can get to it later. I’m curious about new regime change operations in Serbia and in Azerbaijan. What’s going on there?

Jeff: All right.

Quan: And, I would like, yeah, just a side note. There was a closed-door meeting at Baku, the capital city of Azerbaijan, of the Global Freemasonry less than a week ago. And I don’t want to be too conspiratorial, but Freemasonry is a very strong bonding mechanism for what I call the Feudal Conglomerate Of The Anglo-American Establishment for at least the last century.

Jeff: Frans, what do you want to talk about? Frans, you’re muted. Frans, you’re muted, my friend. Yeah, now you’re unmuted. No, we’re not hearing you. Sorry. There must be something on your laptop or your computer that needs to be. So what about the regime change? Well, the regime change in Serbia is so obvious. I mean, it’s just unbelievable. I haven’t been keeping up. Has anybody been keeping up with or are they still doing the massive street protests and all that, or has it kind of calmed down?

Jeff: Go ahead, Santang.

Santang Wei/T.P. Wilkinson: Actually, nothing surprises me so much in Serbia. I was there in 2016. Now that’s a long time ago, almost ten years now. But it was really very funny because I was going to Istanbul on the train. I wanted to follow the old Orient Express route. And so I got off in Belgrade and I stayed at the Hotel Moskva, which is an old Art Nouveau style hotel classic place, very good service and very, very nice rooms. And, you know, something like you find in novels, right? And while I was sitting there, I noticed that there were an unusual number of people in US Army uniforms and people checking in in civilian clothes but speaking with strong American accents.

I thought, well, what are these people doing here? And then I saw a little sign somewhere in the room, and I was staying like two days there, a little sign thing. And I think it was the Belnap group or something like that. So I went to their website and looked at what that was. And it turns out that it’s a little Harvard institution which officially brings people together to talk about nuclear policy. And so this meeting was being held. It was very low key, but everybody was still wearing, you know, official clothing.

So some of the people were certainly Democratic, talking about military and diplomatic, and probably, you can assume official cover. But just sitting around in Serbia as if it were some other Western capital. And which sort of makes you think that there already is a high degree of penetration of the security establishment of Serbia. And when that’s already taken place at a certain level, then what the civilians do is usually sort of like pimples. And so whatever’s been going on since 2016 doesn’t surprise me very much at all.

Frans Vandenbosch: I was in Belgrade in 2018, and yes, I, of course, went to the Chinese embassy there, which was bombed by the United States. And I agree, what was said just now about the so blatant and overly clear presence of the CIA all over the world. Even in Beijing, I’ve met people who are living there in extreme wealth as if there is no tomorrow and doing all kinds of undercover activities on the Chinese internet, social media, and so on. It’s so blatant that they don’t care, as if they are untouchable.

Jeff: So you saw that in Beijing?

Frans: Yes. I still have contact with that guy. I’m still living in Beijing, American guy.

Jeff: Is he diplomatic, or is he in another company?

Frans: No, he’s a lawyer mainly for Japanese companies in China. He’s speaking Japanese fluently and quite well in Chinese. He was born in Hungary, and yeah, he’s doing that simply. And he doesn’t care about it for sure. Chinese authorities know that he is living there and what he is doing, and they are certainly watching him. Last year, he returned for one year back to the United States. He has a United States passport and a Hungarian passport.

Jeff: Interesting. Eric, can you hear us?

Eric Arnow: Yes. Can you hear me?

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, good. You’re plugged in.

Eric: It took me three tries to connect.

Jeff: Good. You’re back, that’s all that counts. So what’s going on in Azerbaijan? So there was the Freemason meeting. Do you think that has to do with the regime change? Quan, do you think that has to do with the regime change?

Quan: Well, we have to understand that the Freemasons have been present in Baku for at least 120 years. Maybe you gentlemen know that the first place in the West where the oil has been discovered and exploited, it was precisely in Baku, Azerbaijan, at the time. So the British were present in Baku since at least the beginning of the 20th century, if not at the end of the 19th century. So they created those Masonic lodges for creating an infiltration of the society of the place.

And it’s very related to Turkey, because you know that in Turkey, there is a group that is called the Domneh. And those Domneh were fake Muslims, because at the time, it was the Ottoman Empire, and they falsely converted to Islam for infiltrating the Ottoman Empire. And the lodge at Baku is related to the first Masonic lodges that have been created at the end of the Ottoman Empire and related to the oil exploitation at the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century.

So that closed-door meeting of the Freemasonry at Baku is not necessarily directly linked to what might happen in Serbia or not, but I wanted to mention it because it’s the modus operandi of the KFCASIL using a secret society, using that kind of infiltration agent. And what would be interesting now in relation to what is happening in the international landscape? Hey, Patrice. Nice to see you.

Patrice Greanville: Nice to see you guys.

Quan: And what Turkey and Baku, Azerbaijan, you know that there is a project called the Zangezur Project related to Armenia. So what they are trying to do now is to make a connection between Turkey and Baku for destabilizing Russia, plus Ukraine. So we have an attack by the side of Ukraine and an attack by the side of the Caucasus mountain, because let’s not forget that I think that it’s more for our audience, because I’m sure that all of you know that. 40 to 50% of the owing in the direction of Israel is coming from Azerbaijan.

And Azerbaijan is sharing intelligence with Israel and is buying most of its weapons, if not all of its weapons, from Israel. So now not only Serbia, but we have to check the Zangezur Corridor project linked to Armenia, just west of Azerbaijan, that would link Turkey directly to Azerbaijan. If this project succeeds, we can expect some kind of mini operation resembling a little bit of the operation of the jihadis which popular Assad in Syria. So, of course, Russia is not Syria for sure. But it would be another point of troublemaking for Vladimir Putin. Plus, what is already happening in Ukraine right now.

Jeff: Wow. It’s funny you mentioned that, Domneh, because I just read, I don’t know, Amir, if you read it. It was in my WeChat group. But a guy wrote a book and I didn’t get the book, but he said he has documentation that shows that Mohammed bin Saud was also the Wahhabi, the guy who was started the Wahhabism.

Patrice: Oh, yeah. I did see that.

Jeff: Yeah, were actually Jewish. And Domneh was a Jewish conclave in Turkey. And they just nominally took, as you said, nominally took Islam as their religion because they were tired of being harassed by the Ottomans. And so that helps explain why Saudi Arabia and the Emirates and the other Gulf states are so beholden to the Jewish state because they are Jewish. And he shows in his book that he has the documents from Domneh that show that Mohammed bin Saud was really Jewish. And so Mecca and Medina are actually being controlled by the converted Jewish people. Isn’t that incredible? You just mentioned that. And I remember that name when I read that article. So that explains why all of Palestine’s neighbors are just completely beholden to the Jewish state.

Quan: Absolutely. And, Jeff, you know that Nicolas Sarkozy, the former president of France, is from a Domneh family from the Greek city of Thessaloniki.

Jeff: Oh, okay. All right. Well, I knew that his father was paid and his mother was a Jewish princess. She was like royalty. She was like a Jewish royalty from Turkey, I think it was. Is that what you’re talking about? Is that where that town is?

Quan: Absolutely. And we can go even further in the 16th century, the Ottoman emperor even gave the island of Naxos to a guy who was known afterwards as the Duke of Naxos. Why did I mention it? I want to mention it because I want to say that those people have been present within the Mediterranean basin for centuries and centuries.

Jeff: Patrice, what’s on your mind? Great to have you.

Patrice: Thank you. Thank you, dear comrade. And I’m happy to be here. I have been fighting a bunch of issues here, including my health has been going to hell, probably the reflection of living in this toxic, shitty atmosphere this country represents. As you know very well, everything that happens in this country now is it’s like a storm of caca falling on you, you know, it’s one development after another is the consciousness of the American people that has always concerned me. It doesn’t seem to make, shall we say, the requisite advances as much as we would like.

And in the meantime, the empire seems to be, you know, definitely not going down without a big fight, as you already know so well. So these things are depressing. And my age, of course, I guess, is like a chess game where, you know, you don’t have any moves left. But I don’t want to disappoint you or depress you too much. I just wanted to be among comrades and tell you all that I love you. And I am so grateful that you exist and the work that you do. I do what I can to disseminate your work. Everything that you do is just crucial.

And despite everything that is happening and this that we’re horribly shadowed by, and my main outlet, Granville Post, is a very, very heavily shadowed band. And therefore, I don’t know anymore what figures to trust. You know, Internal server figures or some of the places that also quote my circulation. I have no idea. Now I have no idea because we’re basically blocked in so many places, you know. So if we can have later on a little bit of a moment later to talk about the strategies that we might try to help break this particular encirclement, that would be wonderful.

You saw them necessarily every time. You know, I sent out an article about two weeks ago, maybe. I woke up one morning. I see this article by Ron Hans, of all people, and he’s talking about how desperate the situation in the soft power sector is for our side. And he was proposing something that sounds desperate to people, but that doesn’t sound so desperate to me, because the moment is desperate for humanity. And he was talking about the fact that Russia should just tell the West. Look, we’re going to make a demonstration of our power. And the demonstration is going to consist of in such and such a date.

We’re going to just bomb to hell the NATO headquarters. So let everybody leave. Everybody leave, and we’re going to just show you that you cannot stop it. And we challenge you to have your best technicians there, your best anti-air defense technicians over there to stop it and to demonstrate the effort to the world that the power, the kinetic power of Russia, or the multilateral bloc is something that the West cannot neutralize.

So the idea was to finally break the fucking mass media blockade against any advances in consciousness about what is really going on. You know, that’s the idea that the media would have to talk about this because we have this stop reinforcement circle in the West, you know that, hey, we still can take them on. You know, you know, the Russians are pussies. You know, the Chinese are pussies, you know? Oh, my God, this is a fucking nightmare.

Amir: I read that article by Ron Han.

Patrice: Because I sent it to Chinese writers. I sent it with my little comment there, saying, you know, look, I think.

Amir: I think you’re totally right. He’s talking about the fortress of information, and he’s saying in real terms, like it’s unquestionable that with hypersonic missiles, we now have the real-world advantage over you. And in a rational world, if another power actually has capabilities that are undisputable, your capabilities are stronger than this other nation. The other nation should react accordingly — but somehow, not because they control; they have better weapons. They clearly don’t. But they control information, and they control perception.

Because they control information and perception, even if you have the military hardware that is far superior to their military hardware, because we can make it erase it from public perception, it’s as if it doesn’t exist. So you can say, we have these missiles. Look. But his ideas are like in three days, we’re going to show you what our missiles can do, and you can’t ignore it. We’re going to Tornado headquarters. And you have three days to evacuate. And you have three days to try and mount a response. And you have to do this because that’s the only way you’ll break the soft power. It’s not even about hard power, because in hard power, they lose.

Santang: But there’s a point here missing. There’s a point here missing. And Vladimir Putin said this in his interview with Tucker Carlson, but it wasn’t new. That is that you can’t send messages; there is a pretty hermetic seal around all of the messaging that either China or Russia could conceivably send within a normal to a normal rational person. And because this barrier is there, it doesn’t matter what kind of message; the only thing that would conceivably work is the actual destruction of those who are actually engaged in belligerence. But no messaging at all will work because the messaging relies upon channels that are beyond the control of either China or Russia.

Amir: I think that’s what Patrice is saying.

Quan: Gentlemen, I would like to second Doctor Wei Santang because perception is reality for sure. But I might sound a little bit arrogant here, but the Western plebs have no power in policy. Okay? It depends on the 1%. So China, Russia, and Iran will not have any choice but to break their legs for real. And what happened? That’s why I was impolite enough, Doctor Wei to interrupt you because what you stressed was absolutely vital.

Yes, there is an information fortress, that’s for sure. But once again, I repeat my arrogant statement: the Western plebs have zero power in policymaking. It’s the 1% that is doing that. And we must destroy the 1% that I give the little name of Karistocratic Feudal Conglomerate of Anglo American Establishment. There’s no way to destroy that 1%.

Santang: Patrice, just let me finish this thought and say there’s another problem that you can see in the presentation of many. They say there’s a contradiction between the personal power that many people in this small elite oligarchy possess and the structures that create them, and that they also help to create. So that, like, you can’t cut off the head of Bill Gates and end the COVID problem. Although cutting his head off would be a blessing in itself.

Because they have created structures that are self-perpetuating. So you have on one hand to try to figure out, well, who you are and what the structures are that you’re going to destroy, because it’s the structures and the people who lead them. If you just get the people, they will reproduce themselves like a hydra, and someone else is waiting in line to become the next asshole, the next person who is insane running the machine, because the machine has a certain stability and an ability to reproduce itself.

And I think that’s the contradiction that everyone who’s dealing with this is confronted with or has to confront. It’s not enough to take out people, and it’s not enough to take out a particular institution, because the complexity of these two qualities is enormous. It’s a never-ending process, in my view. I think this is what Mao was writing about when he said, “There will always be contradictions”.

Amir: Yes, absolutely.

Patrice: We’re dealing with a temporal moment in the history of humanity, because we’ve had a class system in the world before powerful that influence the global situation, so to speak, but never to this extent. Now we’re dealing with a class question. That’s what it is. Obviously, a class reproduces itself. You cannot decapitate a class, you know, by killing, you know, a leader. The class interest will continue.

Quan: Exactly.

Patrice: The question that Qwan Lee, for example, was talking so brilliantly about the other day, and I intend to reproduce that as an article, Quan. He was talking about the nature of the hydrous that the sectors of the hydrous, you know that. You have three main sectors. Remember that? I mean that that was brilliant exposition. And I said this thing, so I’m trying to edit it, and unless you send me a completed article edited and refined by you, then I’ll run it. I’ll be proud to run it. More than proud, I would be delighted to run.

Well, I’ll do my best. But Amir was so summarizing. Our dilemma is that we need a desperate act to put it that way. To break the wall of this information that Doctor Wei is talking about, and this desperate act cannot be ignored. So there, I think, is a sufficient penetration virus. It is our penetration into the mainstream fortress. There is sufficient penetration that something as clear and as powerful and unusual happens. Like saying Russia is going to bomb NATO headquarters. I know where we’re going to see a huge disinformation wave immediately misinterpreting what Russia is trying to do.

But Russia publishes what it intends to do and say, this is why we’re doing this, etc., etc. It might reach a sufficient public to cause a problem for the global leading class, because the whole course can go on reproducing itself forever. But if you break their power to actually convince the people of this or that, I think that you establish a momentum in a different direction. Amir, I’m so grateful that you saw that, and I hear you explaining this subject how to fight here because I’ll just sit here.

Amir: Oh, yeah. Just to jump in quickly here. The idea was that he wasn’t trying. He’s not saying to cut off the head of the UNASUR. He’s not saying to cut off the head of NATO. He’s just saying this will be one symbolic act that we can carry out. We’re not trying to. You know, this isn’t going to change anything. The article spends a lot of time talking about, okay, what if we went after real military targets in Ukraine or wherever, then they’re going to say, “Oh, I’m the aggressor, you’re terrible, and now we have to send, you know, full nuclear payloads to Russia.” So you can’t do that. That’s basically what, even though we have the power to do it, we can’t actually do anything so violent because then they will accuse us of what they’re already accusing us of.

Jeff: And Eric would like to say something. Eric, would you like to pitch in?

Eric: Yeah, I actually just wrote an article called Reflections on the American Revolution Betrayed. And what I talk about there is the fact that when the precursor to the United States was it was religious and economic, and political refugees, and it was predators, and the predators co-opted the American Revolution. And it’s been an endless war abroad and a class war at home. And this is a reflection that goes not just for the United States, but the UK and the whole NATO, EU project. It’s been going on for centuries, and there’s nothing to negotiate with these people because their brains are so encrusted with their own arrogance that they are psychologically and spiritually incapable of having a real dialogue.

Quan: Absolutely.

Eric: The only way you’re going to deal with it is with hard power. We did not negotiate with the Nazi regime in Germany or the Japanese regime in Japan. We destroyed their ability to act. And even then, the German Nazi movement went underground with the help of the Nazis in the United States, because America is a fascist country. It was organized as a fascist project, endless expansionism, brutality, slavery, and all the rest. Those are the hallmarks of fascism. And you can add on any kind of ideological trapping to it, but it’s the actions that define what it is. And let me just.

Amir: Oh, sure. Go ahead.

Eric: I can think of three ways that this extremely toxic cycle is going to end. One is that the whole derivatives and dollar system is going to reach a point of no return, and it will just collapse. And at that point, there will be the US. The whole structure will be so discredited that people will be jumping out, you know, Mr. Fink will jump out of his window, and, you know, Blackrock, or you’re going to have to see a major military defeat that is beyond discussion. It’s not going to be a demonstration of power, because they will not accept that.

Look what just happened in Israel. In Israel, they thought that they could take out the Iranian regime in a decapitation strike. The Iranians took that ship, they fought back, and they were on the verge of crushing Israel, which is exactly what they needed to do. They gave them a second chance to come back. And you cannot do that. So you could have an EMP attack that takes down the whole grid of the United States, and it’s done. Or you could do the same thing with Europe.

Quan: Absolutely, absolutely. And I would say that. Sorry to interrupt, Eric.

Eric: Just a second. Reznik at CIA headquarters, Reznik at Pentagon, Reznik at the capital, Reznik at the white House. That would set them back for a while. Because we’re not dealing with rational people here. We’re not talking about a rabid dog. You cannot negotiate with a rabid regime. It’s so toxic that you just. There’s no negotiating with these people. And the problem with the global South and Russia, and China is that they thought they were dealing with reasonable people. And the sooner they get that out of their head and do what has to be done, this is a war of fascism against the rest of humanity. And you cannot negotiate.

Quan: I would also like to say that it’s okay. Go ahead, go ahead.

Patrice: Just one word. Just one line. One thing in Amir’s excellent exposition about what the problem is with soft power and how to actually reach the masses in the West, or convince, which is Eric’s success. And many people see it say it’s almost impossible to convince the ruling classes of the West because they have swallowed. I think they have swallowed much of their own propaganda. I think that there are many sectors of the ruling class, which are a moving theater. They have swallowed their belief that their superiors, you know, that they can survive.

Eric: This is what I talk about. I wrote an article about this called Dualistic Thinking: The Cause of Ego in the Global Conflict. And the issue is that it’s a question of deep consciousness. These people have a very deeply ingrained sense of their own egotism and the sense of we against them, and we must dominate. And you cannot reason with that kind of thinking. It is a psychological, mental, spiritual cancer on the body politic of humanity and the American people; they are so dumbed down. They can’t see what’s right in front of them.

Patrice: You know, what is the nightmare that keeps recurring in my head? And I don’t know if you share it. Well, here it is. The degree of, shall we say, mass consciousness penetration by the system is such they polluted the minds of humanity to such an extent, but particularly the key population, the United States to such an extent that we could have an all-out nuclear war in which, you know, 100, ¥200 million in the United States, die or disabled or whatever. And the same thing all over the world.

But the people who survive would rise from the ruins and replicate in a few years, the same fucking system, because they’re completely brainwashed into the idea that they have lifted a democracy, and they would go through the motions. This bullshit shows that we have in this country, to real democracy, not democratic socialism, which is an insult to socialism, to real socialism. And if these people don’t do it, how do we do it? That’s the great dilemma because we are running out of time. We ran out of time.

Quan: I will say to you what we can do, okay? It’s very simple. In Chinese statecraft, there is a very basic tenet: Confucianism for gentlemen and Legalism for the barbarians. I have never believed that we have to discuss with the Western rulers, because those people, as Erich said very clearly, think deeply in their bone marrow that they are superior, and that the other people on the planet are just animals and cattle to be exploited.

From the Chinese statecraft perspective, we don’t have to discuss with those barbarians, because discussion and creative dialogue exchanges are for gentlemen, and those people are not gentlemen. I would also like to remind you that the so-called soft power of the West is not because of religion. It’s not because of Western philosophy. It’s not because of Western science or technology. It’s because of the superior capacity of the Western ruling class to use organized violence in the last two centuries.

We always have to remember that soft power is not self-produced. Soft power is a consequence of hard power. I gave a very down-to-earth example which happened two months ago. China’s soft power increased tremendously in the last three months. Why? Because China demonstrated that she was capable to bring down the economical and financial onslaught by the KFCASIL through its main base of operation, the United States of Israel. And Iranian soft power increased tremendously since the last three weeks because Iran demonstrated beyond any doubt that Israel is not invincible.

And once again, okay, I’m sorry I raised my voice because it’s my main subject of passion in geopolitics since my childhood. The West’s soft power is not from philosophy, science or religion. The West’s soft power is because they are superior in the utilization of organized violence, and that is hard power. The true elements of half power at the military and the economy. Why do the West pay so much to China and Russia? Because those two nations are capable to produce the tones of power pertaining to the military and to the economy.

And I’m coming back to what Eric said. There is no way to talk with those people. I would say there are three branches of operation. We have to smack them militarily, and we have to smack them economically, and we have to strangle them technologically. And that is what China and Russia are doing. To strangle them technologically, China is banning the exploitation of rare earth to the United States, to Europe, to the two Stooges called India and South Korea. So they will not Re-export the rare earth to their masters.

Amir: But Quan, what you’re talking about is just an extension of soft power. That is not hard power projection. You’re talking about technology and just playing the long game.

Quan: Oh no, no, no, hard power is military.

Santang: I agree with Quan at this point. Let me say one thing though. I think it’s important. I would disagree when you include religion, because you have to consider that the most military, the oldest military operation in the West, is the Catholic Church. Right? This is the complete combination of military power, psychological warfare and economic warfare all put together. And this combination of belief with the power of really constructive missionary Fanaticism. That’s what drives all of these things.

So religion, if you think about it in terms of some kind of spiritualism, that’s I would agree. But religion in the West is not like religion in other parts of the world. Religion is precisely the organized, highly sophisticated organization of all elements of power you mentioned. The Roman Catholic Church is not a religious institution. It is a military, economic and psychological warfare institution. It was from the very beginning, and is now and forever shall be. And that’s the model that creates the psychological power and the bureaucratic power of the West. There’s no other part of the world that produced that kind of religion.

Quan: Well, Doctor Wei, we agree on that because I call Christianity in general and not only the Catholic Church, even if the Catholic Church is probably the most powerful part. But Christianity in general and the template. I’m sorry to be a little bit impolite, but I call Christianity or the different Christian churches the most powerful machine on earth for making house niggers. And I agree with you in your description. And when I say religion, I agree with you about what I meant, it was a spiritual path for human development and not the formidable war machine that is made by the different kinds or denominations of Christian churches.

Amir: But the answer is what to do about that? Do you play the long game to do technological strangling or whatever? Well, or do you play the rationis?

Quan: No, no. But Amir, it’s the theory because let’s not forget that those people are guided by what is called the Zebrowski or Rumsfeld Zebrowski doctrines. Okay, they want Russia, China, and Iran to enter the fray and to wreak havoc. I don’t want Russia, Iran, and.

Amir: What were you and Eric saying that you wanted? You said no negotiating.

Quan: Let me finish. No negotiation in the sense that we know perfectly that those are barbarians and we will get nowhere with discussing with them.

Amir: But we are discussing with them.

Quan: No, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Amir: You’re going to use the double-edged sword. But it doesn’t negotiate.

Quan: It doesn’t preclude the kabuki of diplomatic venues. Okay, we can have kabuki with them, but do you think that I can give you a practical example? When Wang Xi said yesterday, not yesterday, but some days ago at the European Union meeting, he said very clearly to the batshit crazy chick using the Escobar expression.

Amir: Yeah, no worries.

Quan: China will never let Russia loose in Ukraine. Because once again, with those people, we have to talk to them a little bit. But we are perfectly aware that their brain is not wired to understand reason. But I don’t want Russia.

Amir: You will never use a Reznik. And they will use your.

Quan: Oh, no no no no. I’m sorry. Russia’s use of Reznik for a NATO base in Poland. Okay. Russia already uses Reznik, and they know that Russia is capable of using a saying Reznik.

Amir: Even if you do it, no one knows about it. So it’s like it never happened. That’s the problem.

Quan: That is why I’m saying that there is nothing to do about that information, fortress. We will have to bring them down, and to bring them down, we will have to attack them simultaneously, militarily, economically, and technologically. They still have some stock of rare earth for now, but China, I guarantee you, would maintain the ban on rare earth. And with the rate at which they use the missiles and their weapons, I guarantee you that in one year, maximum, they will be in a shortage of weapons. So things are operational now, but I want to say that I don’t want China, Russia, and Iran to rule over a devastated planet because that is what KFCASIL wants.

Amir: I do. And what I’m saying. I am all over. Let the bombs fly, man. But you’re either really in favor of it or you’re not. And if you’re not, we are doing the same thing.

Quan: I am in favor of that but with a plan. Meaning that we have to attack them simultaneously, militarily, economically, technologically, and diplomatically. Because let’s not forget. I’m sorry. It’s the third time that I am very impolite today, but I want to say things straightforwardly. 80% of this planet is made of house niggers. There is nothing to do with them. They will not participate in the destruction of the KFCASIL, and nice when I say 80%.

I really think is 90% of this planet is made of house niggers. Thank God that they are aristocratic oligarchies in China, Russia, and Iran. Because what are those three old civilizations and the aristocratic oligarchies, the KFCASIL would have already won. So that’s why I say yes, it’s important to inform people, but don’t expect the Western plebs and the global plebs to participate in that glorious endeavor, because they are not capable.

Amir: Well, are you saying that the aristocrats are not house niggers?

Quan: No, the house nigger are not aristocratic oligarchies. The house nigger are the people who are brainwashed by the Western propaganda. And as Doctor Wei said, the most powerful machine for making house nigger on this planet is the different branches of the Christian churches. I absolutely agree with him.

Jeff: Frans, do you want to say anything? You’re in Catholic Belgium.

Frans: Yes, that’s right. Yesterday, before I met, once again, such a beautiful example of an indoctrinated guy President of a big service club here in Belgium. Unbelievable. I went to have a drink with him. What he is thinking is exactly 100% mainstream media. No way to argue with him. No way you can bring facts and figures and whatever. But there was no way to move him even a little bit. That is disappointing. I had a two-hour conversation with him. It was terrible.

Jeff: Yeah.

Quan: There is nothing at the core of the identity of that guy, even if I did not meet him. But the Frans may be confirmed. It is his deep-seated feeling of his own superiority and the deep-seated feeling of the superiority of his civilization and of his society, and that the only way for the other people to be saved is to imitate his society and himself. There’s nothing to do with those kinds of people except break their legs, you know, and teach them some respect.

Eric: One of the aspects of this hard power, soft power issue is you’ve probably heard of the Stockholm Syndrome, where the victim of the violence takes on the personality of the person of the oppressor. So the reason why they have these deeply ingrained delusions is because they’ve taken on the narrative through either physical force or mass brainwashing which happens with the Catholic Church.

And I want to point out here and forgive me for raising this issue, but I’m thinking of which of the three religions has exerted the most violence. You look at the Bible. And what did they do? They went in, and there were a lot of the Amalekites. Islam spread through violence. They went into India and they propagated Islam through organized violence throughout Central Asia. They wiped out. They killed 40,000 Buddhist monks in India, and they spread through Asia.

That was organized violence. And yet the people who are, you know, practicing, and I’m not saying that Islamic people are bad people. Because the peaceful aspect of Islam, you know, expresses itself in being very hospitable and all those good factors. But there is this element within people’s psychology where the reason why they cling to the belief system that they have is because it was literally beaten into their heads.

Jeff: What’s the third religion?

Frans: He forgot to mention the Jews.

Eric: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And what are these three religions about? Their religion is based on the idea of a single self-existent entity that is all-powerful. And if you copyright that power, that gives you the right to exert that on other people. With Hinduism, its polytheism. Buddhism, there’s no sense of a reigning deity. With Confucianism and Taoism, they don’t have that history of organized violence against other, other cultures because they don’t have this inner idea of ego.

It is their deep attraction, their deep idea of an ego of the self-existent entity. And it’s a projection of their own self. But it comes down from this idea of a supreme being, which is the ruler of the universe, and gives them the right to do whatever they want, because they’ve been told by the Supreme being that they are superior, they are supreme, and they have the right to exert their power on everybody else.

Santang: Well, there’s another aspect I’d like to elaborate in the discussion of, for instance, Confucianism or Daoism that all of these Western monotheistic religions endow the deity with not only some kind of monarchical power, but also say that it’s not only the ruler of the universe, but the creator of the universe. And in Eastern religions, there’s not one creator. So the idea that you have one ruler may be a cultural development of ambivalence, but to be the creator of the universe is something quite different.

And so by saying that you are not only create the universe, and that gives you the right to rule, is one step further than simply being the ruler of it. And I think that’s something that all of the monotheistic religions have in power in common. There’s something I would like to make a literary footnote. I was starting to learn Farsi a couple of years ago, and I read in translation, the Book of Kings, which is written in, I think, the early 19th century. In any case, it’s a kind of saga of the origin and transformation of the Persian kingdom.

And what was really interesting about this was the point that in the story, there was a completely different understanding of legitimate and illegitimate violence and heroism before the Islamic conversion of Persia. And it was noticeable in the way the story was told that once Persia became Islamist, the level of violence increased enormously in the story. No, I can’t match that up with the history of the country, because I’m no expert on Persian.

But it was interesting to see that in this narrative, the dissolution of a polytheistic approach in or structure in Persia and the adoption or the imposition of Islam completely changed the nature of violence in the story. It became far more violent, which suggests to me that there’s a consistency with monotheism in the level of violence in society. And that, even so, this is not in one place but consistently a problem.

Patrice: Yeah.

Quan: I would not say maybe, maybe not only monotheism, but I would say a lack of meta-representation. Because I received a Chinese classical education. I have been raised in Confucianism and Buddhism, and I guarantee you, I have quite a big ego. However, that ego is, I have an awareness of that ego. I have a meta-representation of that ego in the sense that I have those beliefs. And believe me, I think that Chinese civilization is very high on the scale of civilization. It’s part of my ego.

But does it mean that I will start a crusade or be against people that I see as inferior, for example? So I think that we all have an ego, including the Tao, the Buddhists, and the Confucians. But in Western culture, there is, I think, a psycho rigidity. Okay. And it’s that psycho rigidity that makes the difference in the sense that I am right. And if I am right, everyone else is wrong, and therefore I am ordained by God to destroy them because I am the representative of God on earth.

Eric: This is called dualistic thinking.

Quan: Absolutely. Absolutely.

Eric: Good and bad, me and you, right and wrong, and I’m at the center of it, and it all flows out of there.

Quan: And I would like to add one word. It’s absolute dualistic thinking. In the sense that it’s another way to say psycho rigidity. Because I also have dualistic thinking, but it’s not an absolute dualistic thinking. It’s not psycho rigid. I still prefer Chinese civilization. I still think that Chinese civilization is on top, but I’m capable of thinking that Western civilization has the right to exist too, right? So dualism is not.

Santang: If you can find Western civilization.

Quan: You can find Western civilization. Yeah, the excellent remark.

Patrice: It would be a good idea.

Quan: Yes. So I think that. And here I’m pushing a little bit of my merchandise. I think that it’s because there is a lack of a big branch of education in the West, and the big branch that is lacking in the West in terms of education is what we call meditation. The learning to have a distance from our own mind production, to understand that what we believe, what we think has been put in our minds by people having authority over us when we were children or teenagers, but that those thoughts that have been put on our mind can be believe what a meta representation, in the sense that we have a distance from them, and we can have the broad mindedness to understand that there are people who don’t think like us. So that is the tragedy of the Abrahamic religion in my mind that there has never been something resembling meditation, even if it might be another word.

Santang: There’s some inaccuracy in that. I think that there has been something like meditation, but it’s also always been reserved for spaces that are entirely detached from real life. The monastic approach to meditation and things like that were all very real and substantive, but they were deliberately isolated from the rest of daily life. And that was not part of the constructive daily spirituality, if you will. There’s another thing that occurs to me, and this did not change with the Reformation. It just became externalized. Instead of meditation, people got confession.

So there’s a very interesting book written by a guy named Henry Lee about three volumes, and it’s called the History of Auricular Confession and Indulgences. And it’s very funny that this guy was, you know, from a rich family in Philadelphia, should have written so much about the Catholic Church, but he wrote the authoritative history of the Inquisition and this book, which I managed, which I discovered.

He talks about how auricular confession, this idea of emerged in the Catholic Church as one of its major psychological weaponry and indulgences. And I want to expand on this just a little bit. Indulgences, one has to look at them economically as being the first Western form of financial derivatives. So if you think about the trade and relics and the trade and indulgences as the equivalent of subprime mortgages asset backed derivatives, all these things.

Then this the tradition of today’s financial structures is actually anchored in the technology of the Roman Catholic Church, which then became streamlined in the Reformation so that instead of private auricular confession, you went through these public Protestant forms where people stand up in front of each other and, you know, the most extreme forms of Pentecostalism and stuff like that. But it’s basically the same thing. You don’t meditate, you confess, and you are subjected to the process of conversion and reconversion through this confession process, which is quite antithetical to what Quan is talking about with meditation to achieve critical distance.

Eric: Well, the way I think of meditation is that there are two aspects of it. One is in Zen, it’s called turning back the light. That means instead of projecting out and seeing the world as an objective reality, you see it as a reflection of your own mind. So I call it when you meditate, you’re watching Reruns of the movies that you created in the past. And so when you really understand how your mind operates, that gives you freedom from your conditioning. So that’s one aspect of it.

And the second aspect is that if this rigidity that Quan Lee just referred to is broken down, that creates empathy, where you can see the other person as yourself. That breaks down that rigid dualistic thinking. But as far as the confession is concerned, if we’re meditating and we’re looking inside ourselves, you know, just recently something happened where I got into a kind of an argument with somebody, and afterwards I thought, you know, did I do the right thing? You know, how could I have been more compassionate? How could I have dealt with this thing more skillfully? In Western thinking, people just don’t think that way. They think in terms of my advantage over others.

So there was a great Russian movie Dersu Uzala and he meets this Russian general is mapping Siberia, and he meets this, you know tribal guy and the tribal guy is saying always thinking of the other person, you know, this whole idea of so selfishness and everything for me, when we’re thinking of the other person, it’s a much healthier way of viewing the world in a way that there’s a capacity for change. And, of course, in Western civilization, especially nowadays, it doesn’t encourage that at all. And that is the reason why it is so difficult to understand why people are barbarians. Barbarian has no capacity to exercise their brains in that way.

Patrice: All of this is also exacerbated by the central value of capitalism, which is rooted in selfishness. So, you know, when you have an entire edifice with all these institutions, all these manifestations, and they’re all emanating from this idea that the self-evolving being is at the center of everything, that I have to prevail. And it is not a win-win. It’s a win-lose situation. Then everything that is horrible is going to logically follow from that.

We have a system that is rotten to the core because capitalism has been predicated by the Anglos, particularly, but followed very closely by all this other associated bourgeoisie, has basically established a global system of thinking and acting that is anchored in this hyper individualism and is the most toxic way of going through life. So this idea of being a civilized human being, which is to be a loving human being, to love your fellows, and to act generously, is alien to the true capitalist. The true capitalist has no use for that. And anything that has no use is immediately condemned to a trash can or destruction.

So what you’re saying, you know, it’s just essentially at the core, the main engine, the evolution, the value system that we live under has to be counteracted. And it is being counteracted dynamically, dialectically by the developments that we see, because the system, as we know, produces its own contradictions that create this dynamic, this dialectical dynamic that begins to kill it. As a matter of fact, I would say that what we do, people who are critics of the system, who are anti-capitalist, is minor compared to what the system does to actually kill itself.

Because in many, many ways, the system is so, shall we say, preposterously proud and blind to its own inability to solve the issues that it itself creates, that it is basically injuring itself. And you can call it, you know, well, any system that is dying from a thousand injuries, self-inflicted or a system that is, you know, one major injury will kill it, whichever way you want to visualize it. The system is basically, at any given time, creating problems for itself that cumulatively and eventually, historically, and the subjective and objective levels will weigh down to such an extent that it will neutralize itself for all practical purposes.

And at that point, alternative systems will be ready, I hope to take its place, hopefully without blowing up the planet that we all love so deeply. But you know, the question is how to get there. I wanted to go back for a moment, if I may. And I am, as I say, totally super indebted to you and to my friend Jeff Brown for organizing these meetings. And I apologize for my usual more-than-impressive lack of intelligibility because whenever I’m in a meeting, most of the ideas that I wanted to represent never come to mind.

And therefore, I become very incoherent. So I apologize for taking up your time. But I am really pretty close to, shall we say, at the end of my tether, trying to understand how to proceed, where, obviously, at a vital transition point for humanity right here where we sit today, historically. Obviously, we have reached a point where anything can happen right now. And indeed, many things happen that people could argue, you know what? No matter what we do, we’re not going to fix, for example, the ecological problem.

We’re not going to fix this. There aren’t many people who are defeatist in some way. And they’re saying, you know, no matter what we do, the dice cast, you know, now, you know, enjoy the time you have left and goodbye. But I don’t know, because we’re at this point, maybe, to go back to the beginning, maybe some desperate measures or some sharp measures need to be implemented. And I find that in some cases I am not clear as to what China particularly is doing because I see a very is either a very clever game, a very clever type of playing this global chess, which I suddenly believe that they’re very capable of doing, or I’m misunderstanding.

So that’s why I want you to explain to me what is happening. I find that in some cases, like the rare errors. And Russia does this too. By the way, they keep selling the worst many tools that they know. The West is going to turn around and build weapons and build all this other bullshit. And if somebody can explain to me why China particularly keeps selling rare earth? Now, they restricted it. But the restriction seems to be very soft and it’s not definitive. And there are all kinds of leaks there in that restriction mode. Can anybody explain why China is not definitive about this thing and say, well, we’re not going to sell you a rare earth period? But in the world, that’s still very rare.

Santang: I’d like to say something about that. I think part of it when we say something about capitalism or any other big term for that those phenomenon that we subsume under it, we come back to this question of system or structures and people and the contradictions within those. So that on one hand, you have a government of China or a government of Russia led by Xi Jinping or by Vladimir Putin or whatever, who represent and promulgate a certain kind of policy which we call Russian or Chinese. But on the other hand, and in a sense, there’s the same thing in the West. There’s the actual day-to-day business.

They’re the people who are going in and out of offices, who are calling friends and deciding how much money they’re going to make on this deal, whether they’re going to sell this product here. And this goes on every single day in every office, regardless of what strategic or systematic interests are at play. So what happens there’s, of course, is what, from our point of view or the point of view at least, that I’m inclined to take is to say, well, isn’t it the job of a government to sort of set the legal and moral standards for this daily behavior and to ensure compliance with an overall national policy?

But one of the things about our capitalist system is that that doesn’t really happen anymore. The state has literally withered away in those senses. And I think what we see in China and what we see in Russia are attempts to maintain certain kinds of strong structures. But there’s this underlying or parallel business world which really will do business under any circumstances that can get away with and the structure is permeable to that extent. So there will always be somebody who can say, yeah, I know our policy is not to export rare earths to the United States.

And they say, well, I’m going to go and talk to Secretary so-and-so and see if I can’t get a permit to send it to, let’s say, Nigeria. And it ends up getting sent somewhere else. And it’s like, well, it’s just business. You know, we’re just doing this. And these people have influence, or these firms have influence, in the policy that makes the whole system work. So nobody’s going to say you don’t get to do that anymore, because there’s always that personal daily element of the business, which is not really absent ideological control, but for which ideological control is secondary, or the ideological control is that of global capitalism.

And everybody’s more or less agreed. That’s not going away, even in China and Russia. If you listen to Vladimir Putin, you will never hear anything about changing the economic system. And since then, you know, we have socialism with Chinese characteristics and a mass culture that is in the Chinese language but incredibly saturated with Western consumerism. Who’s going to that? That makes money for people. You’re not doing it for free. So within those contradictions, I think foreign policy is going to be equally compromised.

Patrice: Let me mention just one thing. Recently, as a matter of fact, I published this is something on RT.com. And I published that in which Putin was talking about the fact that humanity had to and he wants to take Russia in that direction of essentially what we would call a solid state economy, in which this idea of ultra and endless consumption is economy moral, you know, etc., etc. it’s going to be replaced by this sustainable, solid state economy in which, you know, the most glaring examples of the competition outruns are going to be dismantle. And within the society, it’s going to be a completely different attitude.

So he wants to move Russia towards that, which is essentially my view, a step towards socialism. You know, I realize full well that Putin is more in the media, in which we, at least, he at least do not say I want to go to socialism. But at the same time, nobody, nobody, no matter how smart or how smart a group they are, has solved the issue of capitalism. Capitalism is a self-destroying system. Nobody has resolved the contradictions of capitalism. Capitalism kills you eventually.

It’s like having, you know, a mad person living in your house. So the question is, you can restrict and limit the damage, but you cannot neutralize it to the point that you can live, you know, at peace. So, eventually, any society that lives with capitalism in its midst, has to move away from it or else suffer the consequences. And he’s talking about the fact that he wants to take Russia out of that model of strict capitalism.

So I don’t understand. Personally, I think that China has the tools and has the cultural dimension and self-discipline to implement a regime in which they say, for all intents and purposes, rare earth is now a restricted product, cannot be traded in. Nobody’s going to get rare earth from us, period. We’re closing the shop and that’s it. Why? Because we’re in an emergency. We have a gun pointed at us. Something like that is permitted.

Quan: I would like to answer your interrogation from a strategic perspective and from a tactical perspective.

Patrice: Yes. Thank you.

Quan: For the people who doubt that China did not stepped out, I pretend I claim that China stepped up strategically. And how did China step up strategically? It’s by the three global initiatives. I won’t use a big word. That is the model of the Chinese empire, as opposed to the model of the Western Empire. The model of the Chinese empire is a global development initiative, a global security initiative, and a global civilization initiative. That is the big plan. That is China’s step up, saying we want to propose to the world that Antonov and I would like to remind everyone that about a month ago, the whole continent of Africa, except the small country of Swaziland, also known as Swathi Ni, accepted China’s plan for the construction of the building of the future.

From the tactical perspective, the big piece of China’s strategy is the Belt and Road Initiative. And once again, I repeat what I said that we had a discussion with Amir an hour ago. We have to proceed simultaneously on the financial branch, the economic industrial plan, the military plan, and the diplomatic plan for triangulating the West. And I will go through one by one of all these things. With the financial dimension, China created the digital yuan system on March 17th, 2025, and it’s already operating because that system is draining in his machine 50% of global trade right now, not mentioning the special relationship between China and Russia through what is called the Chinese track for financial exchanges. That’s for the financial aspect.

For the industrial aspect, China is already at 35% of global industrial output. For the military aspect, I want to mention one specific thing. When Iran was attacked by Israel, China guessed in advance that it wouldn’t happen, and China sent to Iran enough material for making 800 missiles. So I want to mention a very down-to-earth, very specific military measure that China has done in favor of Iran in order to help Iran to be victorious against Israel.

Concerning the rare earth dimension, there is a stuff called Operation Thunder, having started on May 9th, 2025, that has a Chinese official surveilling the rare earth that are sent to the US, to Israel, to India, and to South Korea. And as Doctor Wei mentioned very rightly, there are things that the government cannot control. But what I want to say is that the government is very serious about those rare earth elements, and has an operation called Thunder Operation, devoted specifically to preventing the rare Earth to reaching the United States, Israel, South Korea, and India.

And Doctor Wei is very right to say that the government will not be able to control everything 100%. But what can be done won’t be done. And I want to mention also the fact that China created on May 30th, 2025. So it was five weeks ago, the International Organization for Mediation in Hong Kong, having the ambition to slowly replace, with time, the kangaroo courts at The Hague at the service of the KFCASIL. So what I’m saying here is that China already stepped up. And I want to be a bit arrogant to propose the alternative of the Chinese Empire to replace the decaying and dying Western Empire.

But it has to be a multifactorial country and server, and not only military, because a society is made by justice, finance, economy, industry, trade, and cultural exchanges. Once again, it is strategically called The Global Development Initiative, The Global Security Initiative and The Global Civilization Initiative. And there is a small branch that is called the Global Artificial Intelligence Governance Initiative, too. Together, these four are known as the human community with a shared future. So what China is doing is proposing another empire that meanwhile, in order tactical level, China will have to break the legs episodically to the KFCASIL.

And I pretend that what China sent to Iran two weeks before the attack on June 13th on Iran by Israel has been a very practical and down-to-earth measure on the military level. And I would like also to remind all you guys and our audience that the victory over Kashmir by Pakistan on May 7th, 2025, against India as a proxy was a lot thanks to China because the Pakistanis pilots have been trained in China with Chinese instructors and within the system of beyond visual range strikes with the shared data link system. So once again, I am for military interventions because we agree that we cannot talk to barbarians, not really. But it has to be done within a plan for replacing the Western Empire. I stop here for now.

Amir: I guess I think I’m not convinced. I mean, everything you say is fine, but it really sounds like a lot of sort of what a lot of people are saying. I’m not convinced that anybody, whether it’s China or Russia or whoever, no one wants to take the killshot and actually put this empire out of its misery. And as long as we don’t do that, I’m with Patrice. There will always be leaks, you know? Okay, here’s some rare earth for you. Stay alive a little longer. Let’s keep this facade going. And if we can all get a little bit rich and save face, we will move ahead that way. So I don’t see any.

Quan: Amir! Going for the kill shot.

Amir: You just said you posture as if you want to kill very badly, and then immediately after, you posture as if you, we cannot do this.

Quan: No, no, no, no, no, no. Amir, I think that you did not listen to me. The last military intervention was China, which sent the material to Iran for 800 missiles. It was not Russia.

Amir: It was not Iran. Then bring Israel to your knees. Why did you stop? Keep sending it. So they sent it. If you want to take the killshot, take the fucking killshot. They don’t want to do it. Do you want the killshot or not? You want it, and then you don’t want it.

Quan: The kill shot would bring the KFCASIL to use the notes. And I don’t want China to rule over a devastated place.

Amir: That’s what the KFC people know. They know you will never do it. So they have the advantage. That’s what I think.

Quan: No, they don’t.

Amir: I’m offering a counter view because I don’t think it’s so convincing. I’m not as convinced as you are.

Quan: It’s okay that you are not convinced. But I’m saying to you that since the last six months, the world order has changed. The US dollar will die soon because it has lost 11% in the last five months.

Amir: I just don’t see that way. I see like the past 30 years have been chicken shit wars. And moving forward, there’s nothing to suggest that in the next 30 years, there will be more chicken shit wars, and no one is going to do anything about it.

Quan: No, I am saying to you, and I hope, Jeff, that you will keep on our reunions regularly. I’m saying to you that the KFC would attack Taiwan within three years, and that won’t be the end of them.

Eric: I’d like to jump in here. I think both of you raised a really good point. It looked to me like there are two major wars going on right now. One is in Ukraine and one is in Iran-Israel. And it looks like Russia has made it very clear they’re not going to allow the fascist Ukrainian project to continue. So that’s one issue. And the second issue is what would have happened if Israel actually had been taken out? What effect would those two major losses for the West have in terms of the whole order? I want to point out that Franklin Delano Roosevelt had a plan for global development and decolonization. And what happened was that the British and the US deep state probably assassinated him.

Jeff: Obviously, and poisoned him.

Eric: Poisoned him and put Harry Truman in charge, who would continue the Western empire. But the West had the possibility of creating a world that Quan Lee was talking about. Maybe not from a Chinese point of view, but at least it was like a humane capitalism that might have worked. So I just wanted to put that out there.

Quan: Yeah, but the problem in the West is that there are moments of light. I agree. But those moments of light never last because the West is essentially a stochastic oligarchy or autocratic oligarchy in its best moment.

Eric: Yeah, FDR failed. He was killed, which proves your point.

Quan: Yes, absolutely. The core of the Western power is the plutocratic oligarchy. The West is a continuation of the Roman Empire through the Catholic Church and through the different denominations of the Christian church. The Chinese will also offer a kind of empire, but it’s not based on the Western promises of plutocratic oligarchy. I agree with Amir. Amir, if there was something that I would like to share with you, that I share your impatience. I also want the killshot. But I want China to rule over a beautiful planet.

I don’t want China to rule over Mad Max stuff. And now the KFC wants is that China, Russia, and Iran to enter into the fray like rabid dogs that would be the wet dream because they would be capable of devastating the planet. We have to go once again by strangulation. Strangulation: It means that it has to be done step by step. But I would like to make a bet that the KFC will attack China through Taiwan or maybe through many spots not later than 2028. So I bet that everything would be the killshot that you want and that I want wouldn’t come at the latest in 2028, if not before.

Amir: My reading of the Geist. Am I on here? I’m not making a counter, but I would like for that to happen. But it’s equally possible, let’s say for me, just based on what I see and the global gist and trend of things, that Taiwan will turn into a Ukraine and become a 50-year forever hellhole, and no one will do anything about it. That’s also possible, I think.

Quan: That’s also possible, but I would like to offer some practical explanations. Ukraine is linked by land to the rest of Europe. Taiwan is an island that has about two weeks of energy, six months of food, and let’s say they don’t have a lot of strategic depth, right? And if Taiwan is a source for the Chinese aristocratic oligarchy. So they will never back down because it’s part of our humiliation that we want to wash. So from the motivation dimension, we will never back down about Taiwan. And from the tactical dimension, Taiwan is far from being as well-positioned as Ukraine. From the coast of Fujian to the coast of Taiwan, it’s only 120km.

Amir: Oh, wait. I know what you mean. All I’m saying is that for the imperialist to win in Taiwan, they don’t have to take it over or liberate it. They just have to draw China in. And it can still be Chinese. Like you can even say, okay, Chinese sort of, they have it now, but you just keep infiltrating, and you keep you just turn it into a hellhole, and that counts as victory. They don’t need to go to Taiwan.

Quan: But Amir, what I said was that it would not be a hellhole for five years or 20 years or 50 years. And even in Ukraine, my opinion is that the Ukraine war. When we finish at the latest in two years at the latest. But in the case of Taiwan, it will not last six months. It won’t last three months at the max because of all the tactical disadvantages that Taiwan has compared to what Ukraine has as tactical advantages. Because Ukraine is connected by land to the rest of Europe, and Taiwan is an island that is only.

Santang: There’s also another very practical thing. I mean, from the military standpoint, the United States can forward position with whatever’s left of the European population. A lot of stuff in Europe, right? But they have no serious base from which they can work across the entire Pacific Ocean. The Korean War proved this. The Americans were incapable of defeating China in Korea. And with a weapons technological superiority over the Chinese that was far different from what we have today.

The Americans do not have the capacity to supply Japan, the Philippines, and South Korea adequately to maintain the military support for any serious operations in that region. That’s completely different from Western Europe. And the Americans know that. They know that they have no chance if there were to be open military hostilities in the South China Sea. They have nothing to reply to the Chinese, to the PLA Army and Navy. There’s nothing there, and they can’t supply them. And at one point that somebody said that I think it’s rather amusing.

They were making the contrast between the Second World War and today. In the Second World War, this chap said, the United States produced about 100,000 ships in four years. Of course, we’re talking about Liberty ships, things, you know, inexpensively. He said it takes ten years for the United States to build a carrier. Now you take out there like seven carrier groups in the US Navy. You take out two carriers. Where do they get the ten years to build a new one?

That’s the status of the American military industry, the American military operations. So the only way they can fight in the South China Sea is with the Navy. And if they lose 1 or 2 of those carriers, they have no Navy left in the Pacific. That’s it. So it’s going to be a completely different military engagement. And the Americans know that no matter what they say, they can’t afford to fight in this area. They can only wage little bits of terrorism on the border between and the inter-Korean border, and they can wage a propaganda war from Taiwan. But they have no military option.

Amir: But that’s it. That’s all they want to do is wage just propaganda, little shitty wars forever. That’s a victory for them.

Frans: Yeah, not forever. We have seen that happening in Hong Kong. The Chinese have done that very efficiently. And the issue is entirely resolved now. They can do the same thing in Taiwan. They have the expense, no problem.

Quan: Yeah. I would like to add the last thing. And decidedly, today is my day of being arrogant, and I’ve been impolite, but, you know, the KFC can declare victory for the dumb Western plebs, I don’t care. Those people have less and less importance in the world. They can stay at home and declare victory. They can celebrate that fake victory. But who fucking cares? I mean, India celebrated their defeat as a victory. Okay, they lost to Pakistan on May 7th, and they got ten days of victory celebration. The whole world knows that they have lost. They are the laughing stock of the world. If the West wants to celebrate the defeat, it wouldn’t be the laughing stock of the world.

Jeff: Taiwan also has a disadvantage as far as mainland China is concerned because 90% of the people live on a thin strip of land on the west coast of Taiwan. The town that we live in, here in Puli, is the easternmost town on the west coast. And there’s Hualien small city on the East Coast. The East Coast is completely wild. There’s nothing there. And then there’s the massive mountain range in the middle. And we’re right at the foothills, where we’re just 100m from the foothills of the mountains here. So it’s easy for China because everybody is concentrated.

It’s like the Egyptians on the Nile River. You know, they’re all on the Nile River. Well, all the Taiwanese are on this thin strip of land about 30 to 40km wide on the west coast of Taiwan. So they only have to take over the West Coast, which is facing Fujian. And it’s game over. I mean, it would be over so fast, and also, there are only 20 million people here. It’s as big as Beijing, you know. It’s as big as Shanghai. So there aren’t very many people. They’re all concentrated together. So it’d be extremely easy for China to overwhelm Taiwan on the West Coast. Patrice, you had something you said to me. Patrice, I thought you wrote me a chat message. All right.

Patrice: Raise your volume.

Quan: Well, we understand you, but it’s better to hear louder your beautiful voice.

Jeff: Oh, yes. So, anyway, since I live here, I’ll be giving live action reports when it happens in 2027.

Santang: So, where’s your bomb shelter, Jeff?

Jeff: I’m not worried. In fact, I hope they come because it would make, you know, it would just, you know, it’s really interesting since Macau in 1999 has basically become part of China, other than the currency and the fact that they have the customs, you know, the passports, because of the gambling. If they didn’t have gambling, I think they would probably get rid of the border. Macao’s GDP per capita is now seriously greater than Hong Kong’s. And so this island would tremendously benefit from being, you know, merged with China economically, you know.

So, I welcome it and I look forward to it. And I speak Chinese, and I have my business, my LLC business. Evelyn and I have our LLC business in Shenzhen. I can show them, you know, we have a business in Mainland China. So the PLA is going to not going to mess with us. And we’re way back in, like in a cul-de-sac that’s five kilometers outside of Paoli, up against the foothills, you know, very, very isolated. So it’ll take him a while to find us.

Quan: If I may, I would like to go back to what Amir said, because it’s intuitive that I never thought about. And I’m grateful to Amir for having brought that. I think that one possible solution is to let the KFCASIL their information with Citadel, so it can keep on celebrating its victory for the next century and living in that bubble. I’m not against that, frankly. A little bit like the Indians celebrating the defeat by ten days of celebration. Let the KFCASIL celebrate its victory in the next century. I think that it would be a very soon maneuver to get rid of the KFCASIL, to be frank.

Amir: But don’t you think? I mean, to me, I guess what I’m saying is. Yeah, suppose China, totally like you say, is victorious in Taiwan, totally liberated. I mean, I don’t know. You’re going to open up new fronts all along the PRC. You’re going to open up new fronts in Xinjiang. There must be areas of the world that the imperialists will use forever to constantly not, you know, infiltrate to constantly. And until once again, you’re willing to put these fuckers out of their misery, you will either commit to a full-scale nuclear war, whatever the fuck it takes, or you will keep sacrificing portions of the planet forever to be chewed up by the imperialists.

And I think there’s no reason to believe that China, okay, not Taiwan. That’s, you know, we have to save face, but other parts will let you chew it up, well, let the CIA infiltrate there. Look, that’s exactly what Putin is doing. We’ll give you parts of Ukraine. You can chew out for a bit, but we won’t go in there to kick ass. We won’t do that. And I feel like China also would not push the moment to its crisis and put these fuckers out of their misery, which they should, but they never will.

Santang: Amir, I think this is your creeping dualism here. The world has never been simply so like, they’re the good guys win and the bad guys lose, or the bad guys win and everybody else finds a, you know, a happy day at the end of dinner.

Amir: Yes. I think it’s exactly the type of rationale that you can use to apologize for barbarity for centuries. And that’s what’s going on.

Santang: It’s not a question of apologizing. It’s a question of understanding history and understanding the dialectics. I think that it is absurd, for instance, to expect that the response to the West is going to be a mirror of what the West does. And that’s what you’re essentially saying, because let’s look at just what we know about the history of China and the history of Russia. They almost never, in any time of their history, have fought serious wars beyond their own borders, unlike the countries of the West.

So why would there be a tradition or a concept, a psychological or spiritual concept for doing something like that now, when they haven’t done it for thousands of years? I think that Putin, as much as we may find Russia’s policies annoying, is following something that is very basically Russian. The only time Russia ever expanded its military beyond the Russian empire was when, in order to beat back Napoleon and things like that, and then they ended up going all the way to Paris, or to beat back Hitler in the West, to go all the way back to Berlin.

But they didn’t go anywhere else. And I don’t think that any Putin or Xi Jinping or whatever is going to change that fundamental attitude. So the only thing that you’re going to find is that people in those countries, in both countries, are going to say, How do we protect our own country, first of all, and our own civilizational standards? And how do we prevent, where possible, those people who are sympathetic to us, who are necessary for us, from being entirely controlled or destroyed?

Amir: Yeah, I agree with that. We should be asking, how do we take these forces out?

Santang: Let me finish on this. I think there’s a difference in the way.

Amir: Then they won’t go anywhere. They’re not just going to simply fall on their own sword and disappear from reality. But I think the Chinese and Russians are hoping for.

Santang: Well, I just think that one cannot ignore history. One cannot ignore the cultures in which these decisions are made.

Amir: You know, how they can do that? Israel can. They don’t give a fuck. The Western imperialist powers can give a fuck. They go after it. They do it.

Santang: No, no, no, because that’s their culture. That’s the point. It’s that Western culture is, in that respect, fundamentally barbaric. And both Russia and China have civilizations in contrast. And they have long ago developed limits on the exercise of power, which the West and its relative use never has. So Israel is not unusual. Israel is typical for the West. It’s not bizarre. It’s natural. It’s an extension of the mentality that created the United States. It’s an extension of what made the annihilation of people in the Congo possible.

So that’s part of Western barbarism. But that doesn’t mean that the response to that is going to come from a country that does not have that perspective of being equally barbaric, at least not. Excuse me, I’m still not finished with my argument. That’s why I think what John says about the bubble, in a sense in which they will live, will continue, and we will have to accept that those people who live in that bubble will have to suffer under it, but there will not be any extermination of Western barbarism. It may die out of its own accord, but it won’t be exterminated by either by Chinese or by Russians. That has nothing to do with some basic catechism.

Amir: Began this podcast, Eric, especially with a fervent sort of desire to just fucking take him out once and for all. And now we’re back.

Eric: Wait a second.

Santang: I just think that’s an illusion of the dualistic culture in which we were raised to imagine that there’s a final.

Amir: I am not giving up on the illusion. I love that illusion.

Eric: I want to say something here. Amir, I just sent him a private message to Jeff that my suggestion that we are rational number of major structures in the United States don’t include that if this is published publicly, because I don’t want to be taken out as somebody who’s advocating the violent overthrow of the American government. I’m more of the Chinese view that there may be a better way to do it but I do want to address something to Quan Lee here, which is that although China has had five thousand year history, it’s also had many, many iterations as dynasties because dynasty after dynasty in the sweep, you know, Israel is this tiny thing.

It’s been fucking everything up for 80 years, but it’s already its sell-by date is rapidly approaching. And the British Empire, its sell date has rapidly it’s come and gone. It’s like it’s on the way out. So it may be that if we are able to isolate and allow, as Patrice pointed out, just allow its internal contradictions in its own nihilism to extinguish itself, that would probably be the way to deal with this problem. But the other issue is that all things are impermanent, and we cannot expect there to be some kind of global civilization that’s going to last forever and everything’s going to be great because human structures are based on imperfect human beings. People do have egos, and corruption is a feature, not an anomaly, in human culture, and we have to accept that as well.

Quan: Yeah, absolutely. And I would like to say something about the bubble of the West. As Doctor Wei said, the bubble of the West will keep on, that’s for sure. But one way to deal with the bubble of the West is to introduce meditation. And I am saying that I’m part of that movement that introduced meditation and Buddhism within the West. Because one thing that maybe you are not very aware of is that there is a very slow movement of development of Buddhism within the West, and it might take times, but once again, it’s one possible venue to remove that cycle of rigidity that is at the core or at the root of Western plutocratic civilization or maybe I don’t want to use the word civilization, a Western plutocratic framework.

Eric: I’m in here in Chiang Mai. I am offering totally free meditation classes.

Quan: Yeah, absolutely.

Eric: There is one woman. This is a true story. So I’ve been here. You know, I’ve been practicing Buddhism since 1971, and I’ve practiced in Chinese temples, Thai temples, American temples all over the place, and several people have said, Hey, Eric, you seem to know something about Buddhism. Why don’t you give some classes? So this one guy hooked me up with this woman, and we were giving classes away on a donation basis. And she said, “Well, you know, this is really great, but I have to pay rent to this place, so I can’t continue the class.”

She just came back to me and she said, “Eric, I’ve got this place. It’s a beautiful place. It’s all set up, and it’s going to cost 250 baht, which is about $6”. I said, “No, no, no. Zen is not for sale. Wisdom is not for sale.” I absolutely refuse to teach meditation for money because as soon as you do that, ego becomes involved. And the problem with what you’re saying is quite correct, that we need to wear away that dualistic, rigid mindset, that it’s going to be difficult, because you see this dualistic mindset weaponizes meditation and uses it for egoistic purposes. So this is another aspect of this dilemma that we’re in. Just saying.

Santang: Yeah, I’d like to add something to this point. There’s something Eric said about humans and corruption and everything. But one thing that I think should be remembered humans are also mortal. And when people die, they all do. You know, I don’t want to get into the details of what might come after death or whatever, but in daily operations, the death of people is a really important factor in events. So that when you can train people, you can educate them, you can do all sorts of things, make them better or worse. In the end, they all expire, which means and then young people come who have to be educated and trained and acculturated from the start again. They don’t come with all of that stuff in their heads to begin with. It has to be learned.

So we are constantly reteaching, better or worse, the people who come after and burying the people who’ve caused our problems or blessed us, as it were, when they die. So there’s no system that can avoid that, although there are people who constantly think that that’s a good idea. I don’t personally, but that’s a fact too. So, when you can say the corruption of the body in its natural state to the deterioration of the human organism is an inevitable factor in our struggles. And so some people are artificially accelerated into the condition of death. But leaving that aside, we’re all going to leave in one way or another, dead. So that means that we have to think about. And I think it’s reasonable.

Jeff: Thomas, your vertical.

Santang: I’m gone again.

Jeff: No, no, you flipped your phone. Oh, well. All right. Well, gentlemen, we’ve been going for two hours. Do you want any other points to talk about, or do you want to call it a night?

Patrice: I just wanted to address this question, mostly to Quan, and it relates to China’s posture. I entirely understand the strategic patience that China exercises because of its cultural, you know, traditions and simple intelligence and statesmanship, which is, of course, eons ahead of anything that we have today, particularly in the West. At the same time, I want to understand this. I realize that caution in the moment when the world is basically armed with nuclear weapons is eminently sensible, is prudent, because those who start the nuclear war by degrees or in one single act, you know, can also take, of course, all of creation down.

And my comrade here, my friend Amir, is also arguing with a lot of, shall we say, logical support that what the West is doing is basically little by little polluting and killing everything. So it’s like they say, death by a thousand cuts or death, you know, in one single act. So we have a very, very tough dilemma here. But let me throw this to the entire group here. I think that there may be such a thing as excessive caution in dealing with the West. I realize that you have to be a responsible statesperson and have to be very careful not to create a situation where this unfortunate elites that dominate the West will actually resort to nuclear weapons first tactically, then strategically.

But at the same time, I wonder what would happen. What is China’s policy, particularly on Russia? It would have been if the world did not have two facts. Global imperialism of this kind that we have today because although the British had advanced something very close to global imperialism, they didn’t reach it because the technology was not there. But the American empire is the first one to be truly a global empire. Now, the second fact is that it is the nuclear weapons.

Now the question is, what do you think China would be doing if nuclear weapons were not a factor in the equation? And the same question I put to the Russian leadership. What would they be doing if the nuclear weapons were not available to the so-called Western elites, and it was just power blocs with very heavy militarization and so on, so forth? And this is my $0.02. I think that their attitude would be much more aggressive in some ways, and they would have already put these people in their places. I want to hear it.

Quan: Absolutely. Absolutely, Patrice, I think the same as you. Okay. Because of the question of China, once again, I reacted spontaneously three times. And those three times I said, I don’t want the Chinese empire to roll over a devastated land, okay? Because I want something beautiful. And the Chinese rulers also want something beautiful. And the nukes are a reality that we have to deal with. And it’s part of the equation. It’s part of reality. And we perfectly know that the barbarians ruling the West are very happy, trigger. But I would like. I’m sure that you already know that, Patrice.

You know that the Chinese nuclear doctrine is the following. China will never use the nuke first. But if Xi is attacked by nukes, the response would be annihilation of the nation having sent the nukes. Okay, so it’s very clear. It’s a doctrine that says we will never aggress against someone with nukes. But if you try, be sure that it will be your last day. So I want to mention it because China is not a pussy country. China is a Strategic country not wanting to rule over a devastated land. And I also want to say that I often am quite unpleasant towards what I call the Western plebs.

The Western plebs have been so brainwashed that they are of no use in the first phase of the destruction of the KFCASIL. To be frank with you, my deep belief and my deep conviction is that the first phase of the destruction of the KFCASIL would be entirely on the shoulders of the three sovereign civilizational states, or the three empires, China, Russia, and Iran. And the Western plebs have no role in that because they are so dumb and so brainwashed. However, there won’t be a second phase when the Western parts would play a role, because when the KFCASIL as an elite would be destroyed, it would be utter chaos and disorder in the West.

And then there might be a movement for a true revolution of the mind and of the mentality in the West. And there I think that the very rare aristocratic man who still exists in the West. And I think that all of you here are the very rare aristocratic man who still exists in the West, wouldn’t have a role in supervising and coordinating in giving the classical and aristocratic education to the dumbed-down Western plebs.

Frans: When will that happen? Is that in the coming two years or so?

Quan: I think it will happen in 3 to 5 years.

Frans: Really?

Quan: Yes, because when the KFC attacks Taiwan, it won’t be the end of them for the first phase.

Patrice: Wow.

Santang: I am not a wagering man, so I won’t put any money on that.

Quan: And that’s okay.

Eric: What happens? We know that Iran has the they had the option to wipe Israel off the map. You know, they only use 30% of their missile capacity. And someone pointed out that if they had taken out the water purification plant in Israel, Israel, there would be no water in Israel and the regime would collapse. And the Israelis are saying, “We’re going to get you guys. We’re going to get you guys.” And so it could happen any time, literally any time, if Israel attacks Iran one more time. That’s one of the major pillars of the whole Western imperialist system. It’ll completely transform the whole Asian integration project because Israel is the dagger that is, you know, causing all the problems there.

Jeff: Yeah, Israel needs to go. It needs to go. It’s illegitimate, it’s illegal. And they will be the first ones to pull the nuclear trigger before anybody else on the face of the planet. That country will do first, and they will not hesitate. So that country has to be extinguished as soon as possible.

Santang: I headed to the only other country that I have ever been to.

Jeff: Yeah, I said in my first book that, you know, Jerusalem has changed hands 44 times, and it’s 3000-year history, and it’s going to be there will definitely be a 45th time. And it needs to happen sooner rather than later. I think that’s our biggest worry is the Jewish state is a cancer that has just has to be excised from, you know, the current events. It’s just too much. Hey, Frans, I wanted to ask you what we haven’t talked about. What’s going to happen to Europe when all this happens? You’re in Brussels. You’re right there.

Frans: Yeah, that’s right. I am 15km from NATO headquarters here. And you’re all talking about destroying all that. It’s scary what you’re studying there. So watch out. Don’t do that, or let me know beforehand. That’s also okay.

Quan: You can get a phone call.

Frans: You will call me. Okay, that’s very good.

Jeff: What’s going to happen with Europe and all this?

Frans: I don’t know. For me, I don’t care about that. The Brussels, I don’t care at all. So it’s probably better for the health of Belgium that they destroy Brussels. Yeah, yeah, I’m in favor. But let me know beforehand.

Jeff: Yeah.

Frans: The end of this year, from September on, I will be in China. That’s a good opportunity to do that.

Quan: Okay. In September 2025, I will write down the moment.

Frans: Yeah, that’s right. Somewhere in September, end of September, October, whatever.

Jeff: Are you going to go live there, Frans?

Frans: In China?

Jeff: Yeah.

Frans: Maybe if I get a permanent residence permit. That’s the issue, actually.

Jeff: Okay. All right.

Frans: No, I will travel now. I will go to, first Beijing, Shenyang, Dandong, the border with North Korea, then to Batu in Mongolia, then Shanghai, Nanjing, and then maybe Taiwan.

Jeff: Come visit.

Frans: Yeah, maybe. I don’t know yet.

Jeff: Our fourth floor is a guest suite with a huge bedroom bigger than most European apartments. And you have your own private bathroom. But you have to climb up, you know, four five flights to get there. But that’s why we usually get in about 20 floors a day to walk up and down this.

Frans: Okay. Do you have a Western breakfast?

Jeff: Oh, yes, sir.

Frans: Okay. That’s the most important.

Jeff: We get really nice French baguettes kefir , you know.

Frans: Oh, great. Yes.

Jeff: President, you know, butter. You know, there’s kefir here in our little town. It has all kinds of stuff for, you know, jam and preserves and cheese, and there’s also a Costco in Tejon, which has even more stuff. So we stay well-supplied. We eat at home, Evelyn cooks French, and when we go out, we of course eat Chinese.

Frans: So interesting. Somewhere, end of October or in November, or so I don’t know the date yet. I will let you know.

Jeff: Sounds good.

Frans: Hey, guys. I have another subject, maybe for next time. That is the following. You know, I’ve written an article about how I’m decoupled. The different ways you can avoid Windows and I have a dip in on my laptop. I have a Huawei mobile phone. I don’t use Facebook or all the other platforms or Substack and all these things. And I want to discuss with you why you’re all still using Substack so heavily, why you’re also so wild about that. While I have my principles, I don’t use any of these Western systems. Nothing at all. No Facebook, no LinkedIn, nothing at all. But you all were defending or complaining about all that censorship on the. You’re still using all that. Isn’t that a little bit hypocritical?

Eric: Let me answer that, Frans. We’ve been talking about the plebs and how unconscious they are, and my understanding of this problem is that we are in a fundamental war of consciousness. That is what this is all about. We have these Western nations, a nihilistic drive towards no consciousness. And as I say, nihilism and destructiveness. And Quan is talking about meditation, which is the antidote to this problem. If we don’t engage with these people, they will never be able to break out.

Frans: Yes, I understand you, Eric. And you’re right, and so on. But then, do any of you hope that you will change somebody’s mind with all our actions? I have given up that hope, and my purpose is not to change two or three percent of people’s minds. I am just doing that, writing articles and so on, giving lectures just because I like that. I like to do that. It’s not because I hope to change society. I cannot do that. The mainstream media are much, much stronger than me or you. I don’t care whether they believe it or not, whether they read it or not, how many subscribers I have, it doesn’t matter. I just like to do that. That’s why I’m writing. And that’s also why I don’t use these American Silicon Valley systems anymore.

Eric: Well, again, to address this. In Buddhism, there’s this idea called the Bodhisattva vow, which is to save all beings, to enlighten all beings. And it says all beings are there are infinite numbers of beings. And I vow to enlighten them. And there are four vows. What you are talking about, in my opinion, and my deep belief, or it’s not a belief, it’s how I call it an aspiration, is that it’s like dreaming the impossible dream. Yes, they’re completely unreachable. But you put it out there in one.

One candle will be lit. Another candle may be lit. This is not going to be an easy project. But in order to enlighten the plebs, to change the mindset of civilization, to create the kind of civilization that Quan is talking about, that requires education. And so, you know, there’s this image of a famous Buddhist saint who goes into the hells to free all those people. They he accomplishes the goal, the freezes them all.

They’re all out of hell. He looks back just to check, and he sees the hells have filled up. Again, he says, Okay, back to work. So it’s socialism or barbarism. Or if you can call an enlightened activity or its barbarism. And our aspiration is to enlighten each other and help each other in its selfless manner. And there’s no hope of winning. So Chris Hedges says, “I don’t fight fascists because I think I will win. I fight fascists because they are fascists.”

Frans: That’s right.

Eric: That is the goal. And it doesn’t matter what method you use. If this works for you, that’s great. For people who want to do something else, that’s great. Why are we even talking to each other? Who cares? Who’s going to listen to us anyway? But from a quantum physics point of view, this idea of the butterfly flapping its wings and something happens on the other side of the universe. The smallest good karmic activity that we can participate in will have some kind of minuscule effect. And if that’s all it is, then we should be happy with that.

Jeff: And over the years that I’ve been, you know, publishing and I’ve been publishing since 2010. So what is that now? That’s 15 years, is that right? I’ve had many people contact me because I always put out my email, and I’ve had many, many people contact me over the years, thanking me for ripping the scales off of their eyes. And they now understand how the world works. And it’s not much, but at least I’ve enlightened, you know, a number of people over the years, and I just hope that it kind of cascades and they enlighten a few people.

Eric: And Lennon said for decades, nothing happens. And then in ten weeks, everything changes. So we don’t know when that critical point will be reached where consciousness actually flips and the planet goes through this dramatic positive transformation that we all want.

Frans: Okay. But then why do you use Substack, which is actually, in my opinion, the enemy? Why not put your own blog on a server in China or in Singapore instead of using all these Western ones, which I feel are the enemy?

Eric: Use the enemy to fight the enemy.

Frans: Yeah, right. Yes. Why?

Quan: But I would say that what you discussed in the last 10 minutes is about the second phase. Okay. The overlap with the first phase, in the sense that the Western democracy needs to receive money slab just to neutralize them, relatively speaking. And we are in that first phase, the beginning of that first phase. But everything that you are doing contributes a little bit to the first phase, but I don’t think that it’s that important in the first phase. But in the second phase, when Western society will collapse economically, okay, with the US dollars going down and so on, there wouldn’t be.

Frans: In the next 2 years, you mean?

Quan: Next 3 to 5 years. After that, you will be listened to more by the Western pleb because they would need some point of reference for a transformation, for an evolution, for being something else that they are not used to. I am very convinced that we are right now at a crossroads of civilizational transformation and that crossroads of survival. Yes. Go ahead.

Frans: If that will happen in the next 3 to 5 years, we should better prepare for that. What should we do then in preparation for the change, big change that will happen quite soon?

Quan: Well, I would say that that intellectually, you are among the best of the most advanced people in the West. So intellectually, there’s nothing to be prepared. But I’m sure that in terms of money, in terms of going back to have a little bit of gold, better to have maybe some properties. But I mean, are you talking about the practical down to earth dimensions? Are you talking about a more philosophical aspect? Because philosophically speaking, I’m talking to probably the most advanced Westerners that exist right now.

Frans: And build a big, big network.

Jeff: Thomas, did you want to say something?

Santang: Yeah, I wanted to say things that were related. What happened a few minutes ago was that my battery on my other device was not charging, and I was suddenly gone. So my mobile telephone was the only thing that still had electricity in it. That’s another issue one should talk about, perhaps in some more detail, is this whole question of electric power. But I wanted to pick up on something that Frans said, and I think that there was something very important in that. From an ethical standpoint, to start with, why should we want to convert anybody or enlighten anybody?

Well, I don’t think that should be necessarily the goal of anything we do. I think we should do we do things in a sense, very literally, like Frans said, I’m right because that’s what I want to do. That’s me. And I’m lucky enough to actually be able to do this. Not everyone can write. Some people have to do other things, but we should do things we really want to do in the sense of maybe believing in it, or that it’s our essence, or that it expresses what our physical and spiritual capacities are. So when we do that, I’m not.

If we want to kill people, I would suggest that with the same amount of enthusiasm, but having a personal motivation to do something to become that one believes one ought to be. And this is what I mean with the ethical point, is that to be the example of what you think other people ought to be, not to enlighten them, but to be the example, to be one of those people that is like what you think other people ought to be, but not to make other people be like you, and not to try to persuade them that they can. Your actions represent, and they have to interpret those actions. So if you write for people to read, then you should write the way you can do so in the most sincere way, because it’s the sincere writing that you want your readers for.

Jeff: I don’t write to convert people because I write because I love to write and interview and podcasts and videos and photographs and all that. But when people contact me and thank me for what I do, that’s for me. That’s just gravy. It’s just like, you know, it’s like a cherry on the cake. Well, thanks. That’s great. It makes me feel good. It makes me feel like, you know.

Santang: I wasn’t referring you to this case. You’re taking it personally.

Jeff: No, no, no, no, I didn’t take it that way at all. But I’m just saying I don’t get up in the morning and go. I gotta save ten people today, you know?

Santang: But I didn’t say that I was addressing what Frans said and what Eric said, and trying to put that in the context of because of wanting to go out and want to really want to change the world in some positive way, and that’s one reason you look for one candle or two candles or 25 candles. And then there’s the drive that one has to do something that one genuinely loves to do and believes in. And these are two factors, right? So I’m just saying that there’s an in the first instance, it seems to me the ethical motivation of being sincere in what one does produces the example which people can either follow or not follow.

And that’s why it makes sense, as friends put it, to write, even if nobody reads it, even if you don’t have the platform that gets it out to it, because it’s the life you live. It is an example of how other people could live because it is a lived life. And that, I think, is an important way of understanding this tension between where we reach people. Well, you will never reach people if you are not living what you actually believe is right.

And so if you can write about it, but if you’re not writing where you believe it, you’re not convinced. And I say this from my teaching experience. I said to my colleagues in secondary schools, nobody remembers what they learned in math class in sixth grade, what they remember of the people that taught them something, and they may not even remember what it was they taught, but they remember something about the way this person was.

And that’s where teachers teach. They don’t teach because they have stuff that they tell other people. They teach because of who they are and their being and their way of living. And other people look at children, especially look and say, I want to be like that, or I don’t want to be like something else. And that’s what we write. I think writing has to come very personally from the demand, the desire to be something in life which is worth living, and which other people might also find worth living for.

Frans: Patrice, what’s your idea on this?

Jeff: Amir, you’re a professor at Hunan Normal University. How do you feel about that as far as being the teacher? Do you feel like who you are is at least as important as what you teach, or vice versa?

Amir: As far as writing goes, like, the best answer to that question I just saw was this cartoonist guy, Jeff Smith. He wrote the Bone comics. I was watching a documentary about him, but they asked him, well, so why do you draw these comics? Why do you do it? And his answer, I like his answer. He said, I do it for me. Because I read all these stories out there, and sometimes, yeah, I like that. And I like A, B, C, or D, but something is lacking, and you want to go out into the world and find it. And if you can’t find it, well then you have to do it. So that would be my answer.

Frans: Well, what do you think?

Santang: There was one footnote I wanted to get in before my tablet went down, and now.

Jeff: I think we just lost this.

Santang: What?

Jeff: We thought we lost you because you blipped. Go on.

Santang: I was lost when my computer went down and I had to change devices. And at that point, I was just going to mention something on this question of mortality. One of my favorite novels is still a book that Simone de Beauvoir wrote, called All Men Are Mortal in English. And one of the reasons why I love this story is because it’s about somebody who, back in the Renaissance of the late Middle Ages, decides, in order to save it, to take a potion which will give him immortality.

And basically, 500 years later, he’s sitting in a lounge chair in the south of France, explaining to some ambitious actress how it was all for nothing because he’s alive and everything he worked for is gone for 500 years. Everyone he loved is dead. Everything he built is destroyed. He went up and down and up and down. He didn’t know what the point was about because he’s alive. And nothing he really cared about is. And I thought that story was one of the best parables I’ve ever read, because it says something to me about the fact that our mortality is something very precious. It’s not the immortal that is desirable; it’s the fulfillment of a real life that also ends.

Jeff: That’s like middle school. It’s a middle school book that I’ve taught a lot, called Tuck Everlasting. I don’t know if you all have ever heard of it, but it’s a book about some people back in the 19th century who didn’t realize they found a brook like a little stream coming out from under a tree. And they drink the water, and then they find out later that it gave them immortality, and it’s not really good.

You know, I mean, they’re still living. Everybody’s dying, everybody’s, you know, suspicious of them because they’re not getting any older and they never change. And now they’re into the 20th century, and they’re still alive. And quite frankly, it’s pretty damn boring. They wish they could die. The father even took a shotgun and shot himself in the chest, but he couldn’t kill himself. Yeah, immortality. I have never understood why people are so obsessed with immortality.

Santang: The reason I mention this book, Jeff, is because of the discussion about things like, you know, how can you give the system a fatal shot? And I just think that this is a good allegory or parable for the irrelevance of that question.

Quan: Or if I may jump in about the fact that we have to embody simply what we are, Chinese civilization has to be what Xi is. And by proposing precisely the three global initiatives of development, civilization, and security, she is simply being what she is, having the tools of power to protect herself, of course. And by being an example, civilizationally speaking, slowly, step by step, people would want to join a system that puts the human being at the center, rather than profit at the center.

So here we can make a rapprochement between a person embodying what he is and a civilization embodying what it is. And once again, I come back to one of my obsessions, the devoted aristocratic oligarchy. The Chinese, who are members of that devoted aristocratic oligarchy, have the endeavor. I was going to say the duty, but it’s not a very beautiful word, the duty, but has the endeavor to be themselves and being themselves, they will represent that Chinese civilization that might replace that plutocratic framework that we are stuck with in the last, at least 2 or 3 centuries.

But before the technological explosion at the end of the 18th century, the Western plutocracy was limited to their Western Hemisphere. But what the explosion of technology, they were capable of going to the east. So that clash of a civilization and of a plutocracy is what we are living in the last two centuries and that might lead to a certain conclusion soon. And once again, I want to say that because I never thought about that.

What Amir said about the Western portion of humanity still living in a bubble for a certain time because they wouldn’t keep on declaring victory. So I say to that once again, why not? Maybe it’s a good solution, and the Chinese civilization will keep on embodying what it is. And if the rest of the planet is inspired to join that model, so much better. But it’s not a question of convincing or forcing other people to join a certain representation of the world or a certain vision of human relations.

Jeff: I would say that the beginning of the downfall of Western civilization was making the City of London official. It goes back to the times of the Romans. You know, with their usury, and I think it was the Magna Carta. There’s the line that says the City of London will continue to exist, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And that’s all based on usury and compound interest being allowed in the 1500s, and that fuels wars because the City of London needs wars to loan money to both sides at usurious rates. And I think that will prove to be the downfall. Well, look at the American debt and the European debt, and the Japanese debt, and you know, it’s unsustainable. When was the Magna Carta? Was that 1200 something, I think.

Quan: 1215. And I would like to say something about the Magna Carta, because the Magna Carta is often celebrated as the charter for freedom. But paradoxically, it was the charter for the birth of oligarchy. Because the year just before 1214 King John and the emperor of Germany of the time I think it was Otto IV lost a battle to the King of France, King Philip Augustus, and that battle make a lot of English barons lost their lands in France, because at the time it was the Anglo Angevin Empire and a lot of English baron had the lands in Bordeaux, in long dock and in that region southwest of France.

Jeff: Aquitaine.

Quan: Aquitaine. Thank you. It was the word that I was searching for, Aquitaine. And because of that, the English barons forced King John to sign a charter in 1215 that we know as the Magna Carta to guarantee that they would never go to war, that the King would never go to war without their permission. So what is paradoxically celebrated at the Charter of Freedom is, in reality, the charter of oligarchy.

Patrice: Yes, yes.

Jeff: And of course, the creation of the Bank of England by the Rothschilds.

Patrice: Yeah.

Jeff: Making state banking, private banking, the Federal Reserve, you know, that’s what’s going to eventually bring Western civilization to its knees is the usury of the City of London. And it’s North America’s stepchild, you know, Wall Street, I think that will be the end of Western civilization. So fingers crossed. Although when that happens, my Social Security check will be worth nothing. So I’ll be working for the rest of my life. But that’s okay.

Patrice: I wanted to say something about several people who speak about the need, or shall we say, the pleasure they have in writing almost for writing’s sake. They still have the freedom, the capacity to write, and they do so. And I think that the value of what they write is, of course, it speaks for itself. And when it is a polluted value, it will also speak for itself. But speaking personally, I don’t think I have engaged ever in my life in trying to write something political with some social impact, let’s say expected for the sake of just writing, because, you know, I have the freedom to do so, and I don’t care what the consequences whether anybody reads it or not.

I’m always attentive to the fact that I write because I have heuristic aspects to it. I want to change, improve society. I want to see a society that is ruled by generosity, compassion, rationality, and truth. Those values are expressed best by some types of systems rather than others, and therefore, I go for those systems and try to push them forward in history. In this particular case, I will say something that is hardly news to you. I do believe that socialism embodies the values of rationality, generosity, and peace, which is a form of giving a break to all of life on this planet, from humans to non-humans, who, in my case, also count a great deal.

I am, as some of you may know, I fight very, very hard to protect animals because I find that there is a lot of unnecessary suffering in this world. And that segment of the animal life on this planet suffers incredibly. Okay. They’re not, you know, our so-called equals in mental capabilities, and who knows what else you can say. But they suffer. There’s no question about that. I’m against any kind of unnecessary suffering. So yeah, I write and I try to agitate and reach others because I want to see the advancement of points of view that I consider healthier and more generous and more compassionate toward everything.

So, you know, that’s why I try to measure the effect of what I do about things. If I have this tiny blog, you know, the Greenville Post, and I publish what I consider, you know, great minds on it. And I’m happy to say that in that respect, I think I am good at it in the sense that I have chosen today. If you take a look at the Greenville Post, you will find that it is almost a collection of some of the best minds that you can find, at least in the so-called West. And you know, that’s it. I hope that it does some good in terms of advancing this particular vision of a different kind of society, a different kind of civilization.

You know, I think that’s why I say when some people say, well, you know, I don’t care. You know, I understand we all feel somewhat defeated and nihilistic and pessimistic about what we do because we operate under a gigantic, gargantuan apparatus of oppression. And it is constantly working to oppress everybody. And that includes our minds. We see the effects of this. It affects us. We turn on the TV to just take a look at what the world is doing or supposedly doing and we’re bombarded with all kinds of things that are toxic. So it affects us.

So I understand we can retreat into ourselves and say, yeah, to hell with it. You know, I’m going to write whatever the hell, and I don’t care what it might. Are you really being true to yourself? You do care because you put effort into that. You try to communicate truth, and it matters. It matters if you reach one or 1000 or 1 million, it matters because the more people that you reach, obviously, you are basically speeding the moment that humanity can reach a higher level in which all the presence of the system will be retreating, or we eliminated. So that’s my sense about that.

Jeff: Gentlemen, we’ve been going for two hours and 45 minutes. Are there any last minute, any last comments? In fact, this has become so ethical that I’m probably going to make it into three articles, one hour each. Because this has been a wonderful conversation tonight. This has just been out of the park. And I want to thank all of you for being here tonight. So really, really appreciate it. And wonderful, wonderful discussion. And actually, four of us are in Asia, Eric is in Chiang Mai, Thailand, Thomas is in Anjing, Anhui, Amir is in Changsha, Hunan, and I am in Taiwan Province in the little town of Puli. So we actually have half of the group tonight is based in Asia. So I really appreciate all of you coming out tonight. Any last comments?

Quan: It’s not really a comment, but I just want to say something that all of you already know. We are living an exceptional moment of universal history. I’m very happy having the occasion to discuss with all of you about the particulars of this exceptional moment of universal history.

Jeff: Great. I will be in mainland China. I’m going to be arriving at Amir’s place in Changsha on Monday, July 7th. We’re trying to hook up with Thomas. I don’t know if it’s going to work out. Well, he’s in in mainland and Amir and I are going on a red tour. We’re going on a tour of eastern Hunan province, Jiangxi province, where Chiang Kai-shek and the encirclement and the first Soviet and the first where the Long March started.

And we’re going to see all that in Hunan and Jiangxi, and they were going to take a high-speed train up to Shanghai. And we’re going to go to Yanan and see where they continue the Communist revolution with Zhou Enlai and Judah. And so we’re going to do about two weeks down at the beginning. And then we’ll go do about two weeks up in Shanghai and Yanan. So I don’t know if we’ll do one of these until I get back in in August, probably August 9th or 10th.

We’ll see how it goes. But definitely, I hope you all come back next time, because it’s just been terrific. Well, I’ll say this is Jeff J. Brown’s China writers group thanking Quan Lee, Eric Arnow. I’m just going in the order that I see the pictures on the screen. Eric Arnow, Patrice Greanville, Frans van der Bosch, Doctor T.P. Wilkinson, and Amir Khan. Thank you all very much. And I’ll try to get these out as soon as I possibly can. All right. Thank you.

Frans: Thank you.

Jeff: Bye-bye.

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ABOUT JEFF BROWN

JEFF J. BROWN, Editor, China Rising, and Senior Editor & China Correspondent, Dispatch from Beijing, The Greanville Post

Jeff J. Brown is a geopolitical analyst, journalist, lecturer and the author of The China Trilogy. It consists of 44 Days Backpacking in China – The Middle Kingdom in the 21st Century, with the United States, Europe and the Fate of the World in Its Looking Glass (2013); Punto Press released China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (2016); and BIG Red Book on China (2020). As well, he published a textbook, Doctor WriteRead’s Treasure Trove to Great English (2015). Jeff is a Senior Editor & China Correspondent for The Greanville Post, where he keeps a column, Dispatch from Beijing and is a Global Opinion Leader at 21^st Century. He also writes a column for The Saker, called the Moscow-Beijing Express. Jeff writes, interviews and podcasts on his own program, China Rising Radio Sinoland, which is also available on YouTube, Stitcher Radio, iTunes, Ivoox and RUvid. Guests have included Ramsey Clark, James Bradley, Moti Nissani, Godfree Roberts, Hiroyuki Hamada, The Saker and many others. [/su_spoiler]

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