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Intro
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Executive Summary
**Host:** Jackson Hinkle
**Guest:** Jeff J. Brown, geopolitical expert on China and author of the China Trilogy
Key Points Discussed:
**Trump Administration’s Stance on China:**
– President Trump has made various threats, including tariffs and aggressive rhetoric towards China.
– The administration is characterized by a strong Sinophobic stance, particularly within the Pentagon-led foreign policy.
– Jeff views these actions as trial balloons and fishing expeditions rather than concrete plans.
**US-China Relations:**
– Despite threats, China does not rely heavily on the US market anymore, focusing instead on regions like Russia, ASEAN, and through initiatives like the Belt and Road.
– The US needs China more due to its role in filling stores like Walmart with goods.
**Military Tensions and Potential Conflict:**
– Concerns about the Pentagon’s desire for conflict with China by 2027 are discussed.
– Jeff highlights that any war would be economically motivated rather than for national security.
– He warns of the potential for a false flag operation to justify military action against China.
**Geopolitical Alliances:**
– Discussion on the improbability of a new Sino-Soviet split, emphasizing the deep ties between China and Russia.
– Both nations are financially, technologically, and geopolitically interlocked, making division unlikely.
**Cultural Misunderstandings:**
– Americans have a significant misunderstanding of Chinese culture, rooted in historical racism and cultural superiority complexes.
– The West often overlooks the pragmatic and ethical governance systems in China, which differ from Western democratic ideals.
**Meritocracy vs. Democracy:**
– China operates on a meritocratic system where leaders are chosen based on ethics and performance rather than elections.
– This system emphasizes the Golden Rule and Confucian principles, ensuring the government remains responsive to people’s needs.
**Corruption Campaigns:**
– Xi Jinping’s anti-corruption campaign targets high-ranking officials (“Tigers”), lower-level bureaucrats (“Flies”), and now even minor offenders (“Ants”).
– This campaign is compared to Mao’s earlier efforts to combat corruption and nepotism, highlighting the ongoing challenge and commitment to addressing these issues.
**Western Corruption:**
– Jeff criticizes the endemic corruption in Western political systems, pointing out the lack of accountability and transparency.
– Examples include influential families and politicians involved in corrupt practices without facing consequences.
**Conclusion and Recommendations:**
– Encouragement for the West to learn from China’s governance and economic strategies.
– Emphasis on the importance of mutual respect and understanding between cultures to avoid unnecessary conflicts.
**Final Thoughts:**
– The interview underscores the need for a nuanced understanding of China’s political and cultural landscape.
– It calls for peaceful relations and learning opportunities between the US and China, emphasizing the importance of overcoming cultural biases and misinformation.
**Resources:**
– Jeff J. Brown’s work can be followed through his blogs, podcasts, and writings available on platforms like Seek Truth From Facts Foundation, Substack, and China Rising Radio Sinoland.
Transcript
Jackson Hinkle: Welcome back to Legitimate Targets, everybody. I hope you’re all having a great day. We have got a very special guest joining us today, and I could think of no better person at this time in world politics. We have the Trump presidency coming in. He spoke at Davos yesterday. He had some dovish words, but a whole lot of threatening words for President Xi Jinping, China, and Taiwan.
He’s saying all sorts of crazy things but I hope reason and logic prevail at the end of the day, I’m not too sure. But our guest, Jeff Brown, is here to analyze the situation. He is a geopolitical, specifically China expert. He’s the author of the China Trilogy. He blogs and podcasts at China Rising Radio Sinoland and is the producer of China Tech News Flash. Jeff, thank you so much for joining me today. How are you doing?
Jeff J. Brown: Thank you, Jackson. I’ve followed you for a long time, so it’s really nice to have a chance to have a discussion together.
Jackson: Yes, yes. I appreciate your work as well. As I mentioned before we started, I’ve seen you on Dialog Work. So happy to have this conversation. To get it started off with I think we should touch on and we were just talking about Taiwan. I want to get to that bit later on, but let’s talk about President Trump. He’s threatening a whole lot of crazy things. Tariffs yet again on China. Do you think that there’s any possibility that we’ll see a return to this?
He’s talking about a 10% blanket tariff on China. But in previous conversations, in statements, he has said that he wants to institute a 100% tariff on any countries pursuing De-dollarization, which of course would include China. So what do you make of this? What is Trump thinking that he’s going to possibly be doing here?
Jeff: Again, thank you for having me on the show, Jack. A lot of these are just trial balloons. He’s trying to see what the public thinks. And he’s just kind of fishing but, unfortunately, he has selected easily the most sinophobic anti-China cabinet that I know of. I mean, these people are rabid. I mean, they are foaming at the mouth of Sinophobes. And just because he doesn’t have some of the old ones that have been in the White House cabinet before his new batch, they are really I think an embarrassment to the United States.
And then he has to deal with the Republican Party. The Republican Party is sinophobic. And of course, the Democrats, as you know, are Slavophobic. But for China, it doesn’t matter. They don’t care. They don’t need the United States. The United States only represents something like 2% of their exports now. They’re exporting to Russia, they’re exporting to ASEAN (the Association of Southeast Asian Nations), they’re building billions of dollars and that’s how they’re using all their excess dollars.
They’re using it to build the Belt and Road Initiative all over the world. They’re in South America. They don’t need the United States. It’s the United States that needs China because China basically fills up Walmart. And so, you know, Trump is a demagogue. Trump is a, you know, I consider him a bit of a charlatan but I mean, he’s no less or no more criminal than Biden and he’s no more criminal than Obama, and he’s no more criminal than Bush.
So, we’ll have to see what happens. You know, the interesting thing is, is that the Republicans have the majority in both houses, the Senate and the House and the executive. And so they’ll try all kinds of stuff, but it’s not going to work. It’s just not going to even make China drop one drop of sweat. They don’t care.
Jackson: You know, you mentioned something important how deeply Sinophobic this administration is. And I think there’s going to be a lot of focus in this administration on the Pentagon leading up foreign policy rather than the State Department as we saw in the Democratic administration.
Jeff: Yeah, with Blinken.
Jackson: Yes. Do you think that there’s a possibility a lot of talk that the Pentagon and all these high-level people want war with China by 2027? I don’t think any American supports their boys over to Taiwan to fight or anywhere near China to fight. But do you think they’re insane enough to do something like that?
Jeff: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Remember the US “Defense Industry”, it’s really the offense industry. The US defense industry, it’s not about protecting America; It’s about putting trillions over 2 or 3 years, trillions of dollars into the back pockets of the armament of McDonnell Douglas and Boeing and all that. It has nothing to do with America’s security and everything to do with making money for Wall Street.
And the problem is, is that the Department of Defense has at least one installation in every legislative House of Representatives district in the United States. There are about 538 districts. They have at least an office or a storage unit or a radar or something. So every House of representative is on the hook for maintaining their little fiefdom in the Department of Defense for employment. And it’s money, baby. It’s money. And so that’s why they’re great. The US doesn’t have to win any war. Look at Ukraine. Look at Ukraine.
It’s a disaster for NATO. But how many Americans have died? Maybe a couple of hundred mercenaries. How many Americans are going to die in Taiwan? None. It’s the Taiwanese who will be foisted on the petards of the United States and the DPP. I don’t think the DPP yet has the guts to go independent. But it’s all about money, and it’s all about that and that alone and a war with China they could drag out for a long time.
I think what they don’t realize is how good the Chinese military is now, I mean, this is not I mean, they were scared to death of Mao Zedong’s 3.32 million foot soldiers and the US got its ass run out of China from 1945 to 1949, they had 100,000 Marines in China. They had the full force of the Navy and the Air Force and a bunch of peasants ran them out of Mainland China. So obviously they were inspired and I think they will do it. They will do it.
I don’t know if they can make the DPP declare independence but they could come up with a False Flag, a Gulf of Tonkin, a USS Maine something like that to trigger an excuse to slaughter my neighbors. And I find that exceedingly sad, and I’m sure that people who live in Ukraine in the Russian periphery find what’s going on there extremely sad. But I feel terrible for the Taiwanese. They don’t deserve this. It’s just awful.
Jackson: Well, I don’t disagree with you. I think that if the US tried to do anything with the PLA, and threatened them, I think it would go very poorly. And I don’t think it would last that long. But the consensus in the Trump administration, at least within some very powerful factions, if you look at J.D. Vance, if you look at Vivek Ramaswamy, who may not be on the outs of the Trump administration right now, there’s a strong consensus that says we need to make a deal with Russia, a peace deal with Russia that will forge a new Sino-Soviet split if you will. Tell Russia that we’ll give them the territory in Ukraine and all they have to do is become enemy number one of China and not do any business with them, become a US ally against China. Do you think there’s any possibility of that happening?
Jeff: Jackson, you know, that’s rubbish. You know, Khrushchev was the Gorbachev of his generation of the 1950s. I mean, he basically sold the USSR down the river. And he destroyed the USSR from the inside. And Putin is not Khrushchev, and Putin is a nationalist. Putin is a patriot. I was just reading his speech about how he’s talking in this meeting about the economy. I mean, the guy is just amazing and so is Xi Jinping. And this is not 1959. And it was Mao Zedong who knew who was smart enough to see that Khrushchev was poisoned.
And that’s why he had wanted nothing to do. He and Stalin had a testy but respectful relationship and they worked together. But Khrushchev destroyed the USSR and created the Sino-Soviet split. So this is Xi Jinping, this is Vladimir Putin. You know, they are so interlocked financially, philosophically, geopolitically, technologically. You know, Putin was just saying, come on, China, let’s work on AI together. Let’s work on microchips together. And the Russians are now developing their own lithographs using X-rays.
So, they’re talking about going to the moon together. They’re talking about going to Mars together. This is not going to happen. And it’s hubris and racism. It’s Sinophobia, Slavophobia, and delusions about the superiority of the United States that are driving this. But it will fall. Not to mention Russia now has a mutual defense treaty with the DPRK. Russia now has a mutual defense treaty with Iran.
China has had a mutual defense treaty with North Korea since 1961, and it was just renewed in 2021. I mean, the West has completely lost Mackinder’s heartland. They’re out of there. They are gone. And they’re not going to come. Now they’re trying. Ned is pulling off a protest in Ulaanbaatar in Mongolia and trying to corrupt people there but it’s over, baby. I mean, the Asian heartland is no longer it is not influenced at all by the West.
And you’ve got pretty much the stans Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, etcetera because they’re hanging in there. Pakistan is working very closely with China. And this pathetic quad. What a joke. What a joke. You know what is it Australia, Japan, the United States, and India? Oh, get out of here. So I don’t know what they’re going to do. What scares me, Jackson, is, is that when the going gets rough, and they’re getting there.
I mean, they’re different than the Chinese when it comes to the military, the Russians are very patient. They’re very methodical. They take their time. Look what they’re doing in Ukraine. They’re just bleeding the West dry. If there’s a war with China, Mao Zedong set the tone. He sort of like, you know who was. I’m having a brain burp, Jackson, help me. Who was the black general in Iraq who held up the vial?
Jakson: Colin Powell.
Jeff: Yeah, Colin Powell. You know, the massive destruction of Iraq. Well, that’s what China’s going to do to the United States in Taiwan. And so they don’t mess around. I mean, when they attack, they attack and it’s not pretty. And look what they did in the Korean War. They ran MacArthur all the way down to the southern tip of the peninsula. So they had supply chain problems and they didn’t want to kill any more Chinese and Koreans.
So they backed up to the 38th parallel. But then it’s not going to be Ukraine; It’s going to be. And I’m afraid they’re going to pull the nuclear trigger. That’s what really scares me, is that they will realize that this is not Granada. This is not Panama. And they’re getting their asses kicked all the aircraft carriers anywhere in the Pacific are gone. The Chinese have hypersonic missiles that can go all the way to Pearl Harbor and Hawaii.
They have hypersonic missiles that can go all the way to Washington, D.C. So intercontinental ballistic missiles. So that’s what really scares me is, is that these psychopathic neocons that have taken control of the US government and as you’re saying the military, I’m just worried that they would pull the trigger. So let’s just keep our fingers crossed that that doesn’t happen.
Jackson: Yeah, I fully agree. But I think one difference between the war that NATO, the US have waged upon Russia versus the potential war with China is that there seems to be a far deeper sense of cultural understanding between Americans and Russians than there is between Americans for Chinese. You’ve lived all around China for many years. We just talked about that before we started this interview. Why do you think it is that Americans have such a deep misunderstanding about Chinese culture, civilization, and history?
Jeff: That’s a great question, Jackson. Well, first off Russians are sort of bi-civilizational. You know, they’ve got Buddhists, they’ve got Korean minorities, they’ve got 100 and something different minorities stretched all across Siberia and east of the Urals. But Russia also has Tchaikovsky and all these Leo Tolstoy and so they have a very strong European Western component also. The Chinese don’t have any of that. And it’s really interesting that racism against Asians is many, many, many magnitudes more than against Slavs or Germans.
The treatment of the German prisoners. Well, actually, Eisenhower did wipe out the Rhine fields. He killed over a million. He starved over a million Germans in the Rhine fields. But in general, they treat the Germans and the Slavs better than the Chinese. You know what the Americans did in Korea during the Korean War, I mean, it was bloodthirsty, chopping off women’s breasts and garroting you know, sticking bayonets in pregnant women’s vaginas and putting grenades in women’s vaginas and just the most heinous.
And, I mean, it was like a My Lai every day in Korea. It was horrific. They just gunned down civilians. And then look at what they did in Vietnam. I mean, just the napalm and just the mines and the bombs what are those called the bomblets that they dropped in Laos. And now there are still 88 million bomblets all over Southern Laos. The West Americans, at least Americans have a rabid, rabid, racist attitude towards Asians in general. And so and it’s confusion.
I always tell people as Westerners, I mean, I lived there for 16 years and now I’m going to be living here and we travel back to the mainland and it took me a long time to figure it out, and I speak the language and read the language and write the language and lots of Chinese friends and I still didn’t get it. And it takes a long time to cut through that Western superiority complex, you know, that we are superior to them culturally and socially.
And then when you throw in communism and socialism, especially for China and Vietnam, even Laos and Cambodia are socialist, Thailand is socialist because Buddhism is socialist and that’s their official religion. And so this whole it just they’re like two ships in the night. They have nothing in common. They colonized South Korea, they colonized Japan, they colonized Taiwan. I mean, baseball is huge here. I mean, it’s like it’s the national sport. And they just won the Asian World Series for the first time. We were there, it was a lot of fun.
And so it’s Confucian, it’s Daoist, it’s Buddhist and it’s like another planet. And they have nothing in common. The Chinese have 5000 years of history. I mean, Xi Jinping will give a speech and use a quote from some philosopher from 1000 B.C. I mean, how many? And all the politicians here who are doing it. They’re all quoting emperors and governors and philosophers and scientists going back thousands of years. The West doesn’t have that. And so I would say, while the Russians are very patient in their work and in their war game.
The Chinese are very, very deep in their thinking, and diplomatically, they’re very, very patient. And it comes from this Confucian, Daoist, and Buddhist mentality. As you know, Mao talked about the war with the West as a 200-year war, and people were going the 200. What’s that? Well, he was talking about 1839 starting with the First Opium War. I mean, he was thinking back then. And so he was projecting 1839, 1939, 2039. So he was thinking well, we’ll finally win in 2039 or 2049. So it’s just it’s racism. I actually have an article called Slavs and the Yellow Peril are niggers, brutes, and beasts in the eyes of Westerners.
And that is so true. And I mean, in the United States, tens of thousands of Chinese immigrants were slaughtered in the United States in the 19th century, going up even into the beginning of the 20th century, they were paying scalp. They were paying scalp payments of $50 in California, if you brought a Chinese scalp, the government was paying for it. They massacred entire towns. They massacred entire neighborhoods. They put Chinese on boats and just pushed the boats out into the Pacific Ocean for them to fend for themselves with nothing.
So this racism and this cultural superiority is it’s been going on for a long time. And I’ll just add one thing if you don’t mind me going on a little bit more. It’s really interesting because the Westerners, Europeans, even before the United States even existed, they loved China. I mean, everything came from China, not just tea, but furniture and clocks and porcelain and silk and clothing and instruments. And they were so far advanced over the Europeans that they loved everything that the Chinese could ship them.
But in the 1680s with the enlightenment and people starting to learn to read and be starting to realize that, God, this colonialism is pretty bad stuff, you know, what are we doing in Africa? What are we doing in India? What are we doing around the world? And so the masses, the European masses became more informed and started questioning what their governments and their leaders were doing. And so what does the West do? Well, you have to have an enemy. So they found a common enemy, and the common enemy was Islam.
That was when the real Islamophobia started in the West in the 1680s. And then they didn’t really go after the Chinese, but they just decided that the Chinese didn’t exist anymore. Everything that the Chinese gave Europe was now sui generis, which means created by ourselves. And so everything that the Chinese gave Western civilization for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years was now all European. It’s we did it, we did it. And so they just completely forgot the Chinese.
They pretended that they didn’t exist. And of course, that’s when Napoleon said, don’t wake up the Chinese. Because when they wake up, the lion will roar. He was smart enough to know that. So it’s I mean, I’ve written three books about China and I’ve got chapters on this and it’s fascinating, it’s fascinating. But Russia has the long war game and China has the long culture game. And unfortunately, the West is going to lose on both counts.
Jackson: Professor Zhang Weiwei always says it’s a Russian revolution versus Chinese reform and the synthesis of both is absolutely impossible for the West to defeat. And that’s playing out today. One of the most interesting characteristics, I think that Westerners can and should learn about China. And I hope you can enlighten me, having lived there and seen it with your own eyes for so long, is how the Chinese are actually more pragmatic than America in many ways.
And they have this system of meritocracy. And Americans will point at it and say, well, this is not democratic in their mind, in their brain, the way they see things. And well, the Chinese will say, but this works for us, and it works better than your liberal Western democracy. So what are the differences between the Chinese meritocratic system that differ so much from the liberal “democratic system” in the West?
Jeff: Well, amazingly, the West loves to tar China as being authoritarian and dictatorial. But that’s just psychological reflection or deflection because it’s the West that is totalitarian and dictatorial. Other than a few maybe a total of 100 years or 150 years in ancient Greece and it wasn’t even all it was like one island had direct democracy for ten years or 15 years and if you add all those up, it comes up to about 100 or 150 years of direct democracy in ancient Greece. But they don’t want to talk about that.
The rest of the time it was anarchy or dictatorship or complete chaos and the Romans were no better. You know, they had a little bit of direct democracy. But then it would go to Republican representative democracy, which immediately became corrupt. And then it became, you know totalitarian. And I’ve got this all on my website, the Chinese leaders have trusted their people to make the right decisions based on ethics.
The West is moral — Muslim morality, Christian morality, Protestant morality, Catholic morality. It’s all based on morality. And my morals are better than your morals. My set of morals is superior to your set of morals. Whereas for 5000 years China has been ethical. And there’s only one rule that stands in China going back 5000 years. And that’s the golden rule. Do not do unto others what you do not want others to not do to you if I got that right.
And just passage after passage after passage after passage even going even before Confucius you know, in 500 B.C., even before Confucius, if the leaders are ethical, if the leaders treat their people right, if the leaders are fair with their people, if the leader takes care of the people and make sure the means to have food and shelter and safety then the people will respond accordingly. And so that’s why it works so well. And that’s why China has been democratic going back thousands. I mean okay. It was imperial and it was not perfect.
And there were some real, real bastard dukes and governors and princes and there were a few bad apples among the emperors, there were a few bad apples who all they did was they spent their time screwing as many concubines as they could and drinking as much alcohol as they could, but that they were a tiny minority. Corruption has always been a problem in China, just like it is everywhere. But this Confucian idea of empowering the people, which I mean, Confucius didn’t pull these ideas out of his ass.
I mean, he obviously had a whole body of civilization before him that he put it into the Analects and to his four great books. And you just read these passages don’t tax the people too much, try to avoid war at all costs, make sure that people can grow crops, make sure that our borders are protected, and the people respond accordingly. Going back thousands of years, even the lowest peasant had the right to demand redress from the government. So if you lived in a village in the middle of Bumfuck Sichuan in 500 B.C., you had the right to knock on your mayor’s door and register a complaint.
Can you imagine that in Western culture? They’d kill you. Now, did it always? Were they bad local leaders? Were there bad governors? Were there bad princes? Were there bad dukes? Yeah. Sure, sure. Were there bloodthirsty generals who fought just for the lust of fighting? Yeah. But the expectation and the overall majority of the system was it’s very, very democratic. Mao didn’t invent a lot other than he adopted communism and socialism, but he took all this stuff from the ancients and called it the mass line. Well, what’s the mass line?
Well, the mass line is to go out, interview, and talk to the people, and emperors would do that. Emperors would send out for thousands of years, would send out emissaries into the countryside disguised as bums and itinerants you know, tinkers and things like that to just find out what’s going on, what’s the pulse of the people, what’s the zeitgeist of the people. And so, Mao just adopted that and said, well, let’s talk to the people. Let’s find out what they want, and then let’s use our administrative clout to realize their wishes.
And that’s exactly what he did. And Xi’s doing the same thing. He calls it now full something. I’m having a brain burp, oh, fully processed democracy and full-processed democracy is the same thing that Mao invented back in the 1930s, which is the same thing that they’ve been doing since before Jesus Christ was born. So, China is the most democratic, consensual democracy in the world. And it even worked for me. I mean, we had a traffic problem in our neighborhood in Shenzhen. And I made a complaint just like everybody else does.
You know, I called and they had this number one, two, three, four, five and you called and made the complaint and in three weeks, it was fixed. And then a couple of other times I went down to the mayor’s office and registered a complaint about this or that. And so foreigners can participate. Every law that the Chinese pass does not pass without it being published widely for all the Chinese to see and criticize, and even foreigners can criticize the law. I mean, since when is the United States going to let the Chinese criticize the laws they pass?
And so foreigners do. McDonald’s will file suggestions about this law. And, you know, Apple will file suggestions about that law that’s being proposed. No law is passed in China that does not have at least a majority of the people agreeing to it. And the minority that doesn’t agree with it then the government gets their butts in gear and they go out and they educate the people to convince them to show them that this is. But they modify laws all the time.
They’re changing laws, they’re amending laws to satisfy the people’s needs, you know, like for facial recognition and personal information by the tech companies. And Westerners have no idea what democracy is compared to the Chinese. It’s just it’s amazing. And for the Americans, democracy is I’m going to go out on Tiananmen Square, I’m going to hold up a placard and say, I think Xi Jinping is an asshole. I mean, that is Western democracy.
It’s confrontational, it’s public, it’s divisive, it’s us against them, it’s the Dems against the Republicans, it’s the RN against the liberals. And in France, it’s just it’s a battle and that’s in China it’s consensual. It’s done by people working together. There’s a real common sense of unity and solidarity. That’s a word that’s been forgotten since World War two in the West. So yeah, I mean, we go to China it’s just unbelievable. You just cannot imagine what’s going on there. And, so anyway, I’ve ranted so any comments?
Jackson: No, I agree, I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Unfortunately, I’ve only been to Shanghai. I want to see more. But I was so impressed. And one thing you brought up is corruption. Of course, corruption plagues every country on earth and every civilization. But the question is, how does a country approach corruption? How does a culture approach the issue of corruption?
In America and Western countries, it seems like people who are corrupt just get promoted higher and higher into government positions if that’s where they find themselves. In China, Xi Jinping has something called the Corruption Campaign Against Tigers And Flies, and now he’s targeting the ants, too. Can you explain what is going on in China, how they deal with corruption and how it differs from the West?
Jeff: Well, Mao, again, corruption has been a problem all during the Imperial period going back to 1500 B.C., 2000 B.C. I mean, it’s a recognized problem here. And somehow, because of this Confucian ideal of taking care of the people, being ethical, and practicing the Golden Rule, corruption usually did not destroy an empire. It taxed them. I mean, corruption takes away money. Some of the government’s empires in China were worse than others. The ones that were really bad didn’t last long because of the corruption.
But they had this Confucian, Daoist, Buddhist ideal of taking care of the people and that attenuates, I think, the corruption. I think that what Westerners just don’t realize is how corrupt the West has always been and because it is a top-down, aristocratic, dictatorial governmental system, it has always taken care of the 1%—it always has—before the rest of us bozos.
This goes back to the Greeks and they would again, allow just enough to keep the people from revolting but a lot of people don’t know that the Italian mafia, origins of Italian mafia are the aristocratic families that were in the Roman Senate going back a couple of thousand years, and they just evolved into organized crime. And Biden, I mean, his family is the Mafia don there, what is it called? Kappa Tau? I mean, they’re the head of the Mafia in Delaware. Trump is in bed with the Mafia in New York, in Las Vegas.
I mean, the West is just so innately corrupt and there’s no accountability. And there used to be some. But since the 1980s, you can do whatever the hell you want. And this meritocracy in China goes back thousands of years where you have to pass a test to work for the government. And it was very rarely corrupted, very rarely corrupted. And so you had the best and the brightest who got into power and they tended to be less corrupt. And so corruption is eating the West alive. I mean, the termites are in the woodwork.
I mean, just look at Trump. He got hundreds of millions of dollars in donations, not millions, hundreds of millions of dollars of donations for his core campaign. But they don’t do it. They don’t check. You know, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are spending tens of millions of dollars of their foundation money. No one knows what’s going on. You know, you got George Soros and you’ve got it’s just the West, the France, I have French nationality and American nationality. I’m a dual national. Look at Brussels. It’s a sewer. It’s disgusting.
It’s worse than a sewer. It’s just Ursula von der Leyen. She’s a goddamn dictator. She just does whatever the fuck she wants. She gave her husband a $71 billion mRNA vaccine contract because he was an executive with a company that was bought by Pfizer. There are no consequences, as you say, they just float to the top. They just float to the top. So Mao, in the 30s during the Civil War, was able to really come down hard on corruption and otherwise, I don’t think they would have been able to survive.
You know, Chiang Kai Shek who came here to Taiwan was corrupt. He was with the gangs and the bankers in Shanghai, and he was so corrupt and he ended up here. But Mao cleaned it up really well until 1949. And then once all of a sudden they had 500 million people to take care of, and they had to go in and completely install a communist socialist governmental system. There was a lot of corruption, and he tried six times. He tried six times to clean up corruption. He had six campaigns to clean up corruption.
And all of them failed. And the people were pissed. And the people wanted this solved immediately. And so that’s the mass line. They interviewed everybody. Everybody said we’re sick of the corruption. We’re sick of the nepotism. The party is putrid, the Communist Party is putrid. And we want change now. Well, that was the Cultural Revolution. The Cultural Revolution was about education for the peasants and cleaning up the country. And by the end of the Cultural Revolution, there was no crime.
There was no corruption. I mean, it was nothing. So they finally did clean it up but then he died. And in 1989 Tiananmen, that’s all that was mainly corruption and nepotism. It’s not about democracy. That was all CIA shit that was invented in the press and that was one of the first color revolutions and but they were pissed off about corruption, nepotism, inflation, and supply chain. There were shortages. And that’s what the people were pissed off about was corruption. And it was I gotta admit, it was pretty corrupt.
We lived there from 1990 to 1997. We had our first two children during that time. We were living there and it was really corrupt. I mean, it was really, really bad. Even after Tiananmen and so it stayed pretty corrupt up until Hu Jintao, who was president before XI Jinping. And he started to try to clean it up. But Xi is the one who has really realized Mao’s dream of fighting corruption.
And I think I’ve done four articles on corruption in the last year or so. Just listing all of the people that are shooting in the back of the head and throwing in the prison you know, just left and right. And the Tigers are the generals and the CEOs and the big-time ministers and the vice ministers and the flies are lesser, but just millions and millions have been called on the carpet. A number of them have been shot in the back of the head with a PLA bullet for harming society so much or killing people in the process.
That’s what happened Mao tried and tried. But when you’re trying to build an industrial empire like Stalin did in 30 years, the corruption just was just going to happen. And it was bad during Deng and still bad. And Deng would have a campaign and they would lock up 80,000 corrupt people. But Xi just does not let his foot off the pedal. It’s just relentless. It is just withering. And I don’t know why anybody in China would even want to try to be corrupt. You know, it’s just the consequences are so bad. But people are greedy.
People are egotistical. People are arrogant. And so it’s I just read another thing. I just have a file. I just have a file, and I just drop them into this file after I get 10 or 20 cases of these people happening to them and this guy getting shot and this guy getting thrown in jail, and I’ll do another corruption thing. But it’s inspiring because then you look at the West and you go, well, Biden’s the Delaware mafia and Trump is the New York Las Vegas mafia.
And look at the US Senate and the House of Representatives, they’ve all got shell companies in Delaware with their relatives in a blind trust so no one can see what’s going on and they get contracts that the US Senate and the House of Representatives pass so that their shell company with family members can get contracts with the US government. You know, Obama’s, you know, there were 70 or $80 million. Now how do you do that? You know, it’s just disgusting.
Jackson: It’s insane. It’s absolutely insane. And Jeff, I thank you for bringing the truth about China here today. And as I said before, I hope Americans can learn a lot from China. So many Americans have completely, completely mutilated, skewed backward interpretations of what is going on and what has gone on in China as you mentioned, many of the heroic achievements of Chairman Mao. Well, I’ll finish by saying if anyone’s offended by the truth about China, no investigation, no right to speak. Jeff, where can people follow along with your work? I mentioned some of your works the China Trilogy, of course, which you’re the author of. But your blogs, your podcasts, where can people follow along with your work?
Jeff: Well, something that I did early spent almost two years now, I founded the Seek Truth from Facts Foundation, and years before that, I actually started the China Writers Group. It’s got Pepe Escobar and Godfree Roberts and just I mean, just some amazing. Cynthia McKinney is a member. Amaranth flower who used to work with the Saker. And so I created this collective of writers and I promote them on Substack. Of course, Substack is horribly, horribly, horribly shadow-banning my account which is the China Writers account.
So I created the Seektruthfromfacts.org just all stuck together. All the China writers are there including James Bradley’s and my 70 shows we did together. China Tech News Flash is nice, but I couldn’t keep up because their tech advancement is just blinding. But my main platform is ChinaRising.puntopress.com. So far I’ve kind of been able to get under the radar on Google. If you just Google Jeff J. Brown and China Rising or Radio Sinoland, you know, one-word Sinoland, you’ll find my website. And that’s where my blog is and everything.
And then on Substack, I don’t know what it is, but if you just look up Seek Truth From Facts on Substack, people will find all the China writers I publish their work and so that’s really it. And I would like to say that Mainland China is communist and socialist, but you don’t have to be communist and socialist to treat your people right. And Taiwan is a great example. We’re here. I haven’t visited here since the 1990s. We just came last year for the first time.
And it’s not communist and socialist but they take their Confucianism and Daoist and Buddhist and Taiwan takes care of its people. And the people have a nice life here. So, I’m not saying the United States has to jump has to be communist and socialist. But what really frustrates me about the West is we don’t have anything to learn from you. We have nothing to learn from you. We have all the answers, which is the way I was most of my life. And so they could at least look at some of the things that the Chinese are doing to maybe improve their system.
The Chinese have adopted commercial capitalism on top of this layer of this massive state-owned economy. But the refrigerators and the cars and the telephones and all the high volume goods are all capitalist. You know, the service sector is capitalist. So the Chinese have taken what works for them with capitalism. But the West won’t take anything from the Chinese because it’s communist and socialist. And I find that sad. I really, I find that too bad. And it’s going to cost them. It’s going to cost them big time.
Jackson: Definitely will. Jeff, thank you again so much. Hopefully, there can be peace and we can learn from China one day soon. Thank you so much for joining me.
Jeff: Well, thank you. And I’ve been a fan of yours on Twitter for a while, so I’m really glad to meet you. Take care.
Jackson: You too.
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JEFF J. BROWN, Editor, China Rising, and Senior Editor & China Correspondent, Dispatch from Beijing, The Greanville Post
Jeff J. Brown is a geopolitical analyst, journalist, lecturer and the author of The China Trilogy. It consists of 44 Days Backpacking in China – The Middle Kingdom in the 21st Century, with the United States, Europe and the Fate of the World in Its Looking Glass (2013); Punto Press released China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (2016); and BIG Red Book on China (2020). As well, he published a textbook, Doctor WriteRead’s Treasure Trove to Great English (2015). Jeff is a Senior Editor & China Correspondent for The Greanville Post, where he keeps a column, Dispatch from Beijing and is a Global Opinion Leader at 21st Century. He also writes a column for The Saker, called the Moscow-Beijing Express. Jeff writes, interviews and podcasts on his own program, China Rising Radio Sinoland, which is also available on YouTube, Stitcher Radio, iTunes, Ivoox and RUvid. Guests have included Ramsey Clark, James Bradley, Moti Nissani, Godfree Roberts, Hiroyuki Hamada, The Saker and many others. [/su_spoiler]
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