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Today’s quick recap
The group discussed various geopolitical topics, including the implications of the recent high-profile Trump-Zelensky Oval-Office confrontation, the situation in Ukraine and Russia, the potential downfall of the US dollar hegemony, and the future of Taiwan in relation to China. They also shared personal experiences, such as Frans’ recent travels in China and Jeff’s observations of strong Taiwanese nationalism. The discussion emphasized the ongoing tensions and conflicts in Palestine and Ukraine, and the potential for future challenges due to the weakening of the US dollar hegemony.
Executive one-page summary
The group consists of Frans Vandenbosch in Flanders, Europe; Peter Man in Toronto, Canada; Quan Le in Montreal, Canada and Jeff J. Brown in Taiwan, China.
High-Profile Event’s Global Political Impact
The discussion revolved around the implications of a recent event involving a high-profile political figure and its potential impact on global politics. The participants debated theories about the event, such as its possible staging and the motivations behind it. They also discussed the reactions of various countries to the event, specifically focusing on the French and Belgian press’s portrayal of the situation, which is very pro-war. The conversation ended with a suggestion for promoting peace and an acknowledgment of the potential hypocrisy present in political actions.
Putin’s Intentions and Ukraine’s Future
Quan analyzed the situation with Ukraine and Russia, noting that Putin is unlikely to accept a ceasefire or NATO’s influence in Ukraine. He suggested that Putin may have preferred Kamala’s presidency, which could have led to Ukraine becoming a buffer state under Russia’s control. Jeff expressed concerns about Putin’s negotiation tactics, while Peter compared it to doing business with a company known for lying, meaning the USA. Quan concluded that Putin’s true intentions remain unclear amidst diplomatic efforts and global security architecture.
Defending Hegemony and Dollar Dominance
Peter emphasized the need for the West to defend the US Hegemon, which is threatened by losing its dollar hegemony, and outlined a strategy to remove it. He noted that the war with Ukraine is a small part of the larger goal to cause the downfall of the Hegemon. Quan highlighted the psychological impact of the recent White House events and the victories of Russia, China, and Iran, which have diminished the US’s military and technological prestige. Jeff suggested that Russia’s victory in Ukraine should be taken as a warning to European countries that the war must be taken to the borders of the European Union. The team agreed that the US’s addiction to the dollar hegemony needed to be addressed.
Geopolitical Predictions and Strategies
The group discusses geopolitical predictions and strategies, particularly focusing on Russia’s actions in Ukraine and the Black Sea region. Quan discussed Rand’s potential “Trimerium Initiative” involving Eastern European countries, while Jeff expresses concern about blocking Ukraine’s access to the Black Sea. They debate Putin’s approach and timing of interventions, with Quan and Frans expressing confidence in Putin’s strategic abilities. Frans then shifts the conversation to ask about Chinese perspectives on Western empire, which he describes as “terrible” and “disgusting.”
American Politics and Dollar Weakness
Peter expressed his non-surprise at the predictable actions of Trump, whom he described as a clown. He explained the American political situation as a “three-ring circus” where lies are common and the real issue is the weakness of the American dollar. Jeff suggested the possibility of China getting tired of the United States’ aggressive diplomacy, and Quan quoted a Turkish proverb, suggesting that a clown’s presence in a palace turns it into a circus.
Frans’ Travels in China, Laos and Thailand
Frans describes his recent travels through China, Laos, and Thailand. He highlights the rapid development in China, particularly in border cities like Boten, Laos, where Chinese influence is strong. Frans also mentions encountering communities of Western political refugees in Thailand, living harmoniously away from Western political troubles. He notes the significant economic influence of ethnic Chinese people in Thailand and expresses plans for another extended trip to China, where he has already received numerous invitations.
Taiwan’s Future and China’s Strategy
The discussion focuses on the future of Taiwan and its relationship with China. Jeff shares his observations about strong Taiwanese nationalism and identity after living there for several months. Peter and Quan offer their perspectives on China’s long-term strategy for Taiwan, emphasizing patience and epistemological development rather than kinetic warfare. They suggest that China’s growing technological and economic power will eventually lead to a peaceful integration of Taiwan. The group also discusses the role of the United States in the situation and the potential for conflict, with Peter expressing doubt about the likelihood of war over Taiwan.
Frustration Over Palestine and US Hegemony
In the meeting, Jeff expressed his frustration over the ongoing situation in Palestine and his belief that the Jewish state will annex much more territory. Quan agreed, stating that the hegemony of the US dollar will take time to relinquish and that the current situation in Ukraine has exposed NATO’s limitations. Peter suggested not being too pessimistic about the situation and encouraged the Palestinian people to fight for their own freedom.
Transcript
Peter Man: All right. Now I can hear you.
Jeff J. Brown: Okay, great. Good to see you guys.
Quan Le: Yes. Peter, if I may, you look younger with those glasses.
Peter: I’m 70.
Quan: Yeah, well, you’re the typical Asian, Peter. You don’t look 70 at all.
Peter: That’s what they say.
Jeff: So, you were born in 1954, like me?
Peter: That’s right.
Jeff: Okay. All right.
Peter: We’re all horses.
Quan: We’re horses, wood horses.
Peter: Exactly.
Jeff: How old are you, Quan?
Quan: Almost 55. Almost 55.
Peter: Oh, it’s a spring chicken.
Jeff: It’s spring chicken. And Peter, you’re in Vancouver, right?
Peter: Oh, I’m in Toronto.
Jeff: Oh, you’re in Toronto. Okay. All right. So, you’re not far from Quan. He’s in Montreal.
Quan: Oh, I thought you were in Vancouver, Peter.
Jeff: Frans, how are you doing?
Quan: Frans, hi.
Frans: Hello, Jeff. Everything okay there?
Jeff: Europe is represented.
Frans: Yeah, that’s right. Where are the others?
Jeff: Peter is in Toronto, Quan is in Montreal, and I am in Pouli, Taiwan, China.
Peter: I want my coffee.
Jeff: So, we’ve covered three big time zones. Peter’s going to go do something. So how are you doing, Frans?
Frans: Well, I’m fine. I’m doing okay.
Jeff: Are you back home?
Frans: Yes.
Jeff: Okay, you’re in Flanders.
Frans: And I’ve written a lot of articles recently, so a lot of inspiration.
Jeff: Yeah, I saw them. I’m subscribed to your newsletter, so I know you’ve been very busy.
Frans: Quite well, yeah. But I enjoy writing these things.
Jeff: All right, Peter. I’ll wait for Peter to get back.
Peter: Yeah, yeah. I’m just trying to make coffee.
Jeff: I forgot, what time is it? It’s six o’clock in the morning there, right?
Peter: No, no, this is 9 a.m.
Jeff: Nine o’clock in the morning.
Peter: It feels like 6.
Jeff: That’s why I was thinking you were in Vancouver. Yeah, you’re in the same time zone as Quan. It’s 9 a.m. So, this is ideal. But what do you gentlemen want to talk about tonight? I can take some notes and what’s on your mind?
Frans: Okay, whatever.
Quan: Well, I think that one of the subjects must be the serene scene happening last night at the White House.
Jeff: Yeah. You know what? Right before I turned this thing on, somebody on Substack was speculating that it was all staged.
Quan: Yeah. Oh.
Jeff: That it was staged, that it was done as an act. I don’t know how true that is or not, but that’s what he was saying on Substack.
Quan: Jeff, I would say that it was staged because Trump himself acknowledged it in the conversation, if you remember at the end when JD Vance said that we should not litigate that kind of problem in front of the media. Trump said, no, no, no, no, that’s why I wanted to make it long, so everyone can see it. Trump spoke unconsciously the truth.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, maybe it was staged. So, what would be the outcome of the staging? What would be the result of this?
Quan: I think that Trump was naively thinking that by giving that kind of face to Vladimir Putin, because one of the hypotheses that he wanted to give some face to Vladimir Putin, okay? By trashing Vladimir Zelensky in front of the whole world.
Jeff: It’s possible.
Quan: And maybe there are other reasons that I am not capable to see but it’s obvious for me. Okay? Who is the big winner from that serene scene? The Russians, because the Ukrainians passed for complete idiots.
Jeff: It’s really interesting. I don’t know what’s going on in Belgium, but in the French press, it’s all Trump’s fault. Zelensky’s an angel. Nothing’s wrong with Zelensky. He was beat up by Trump. He never said anything bad or never had any… was just an angel. Has that been going on also in the Belgian press, France?
Frans: Yes, exactly the same. Yes, our prime minister said something similar that. Yes, it’s terrible, it’s sad. They’re all warmongers, yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
Frans: Yeah, from left to right, everybody, everybody.
Jeff: Go ahead, Peter.
Peter: You know how to deal with warmongering? Yes, you’re welcome to warmonger, but please, warmonger for yourself, not for others. It’s like anyone who wants a warmonger has to use their own money and send their own children and themselves to go to war. And you’ll see how peaceful they will become, right?
Quan: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Peter: Don’t go spend my $150 billion. Spend your own $150 and see how fast they will go home and say, let’s have peace, right?
Frans: Yeah. Do you think they ever listen?
Peter: Well, see, when you allow people to say, well, we need to have war, but you send your own children and use all your money and go into debt to go and fight.
Frans: Yeah.
Peter: Well, he stays home and then collects all the money and says, let me, you know, like, handle the thinking part.
Frans: They are hypocrites anyway, yeah.
Peter: Well, you know, it’s so simple. Just make it so, you know, just… I mean, how many warmongers are there? Maybe 10, you know. But the rest of us just sit here and listen to all this, and we, you know, discussing all of that, but it’s a simple step for peace is to make the warmongers go to war themselves and use their own money.
Quan: Yeah.
Peter: Peace for the world quickly.
Jeff: Well, why would giving face to Russia be useful? I mean, I don’t really get that.
Quan: Okay, I wouldn’t explain it because right now I think that what is happening right now is very big, okay? Vladimir Putin, the Russian people managed to be victorious in a combined attack by the collective West against them. And right now, Putin, as has been stated very clearly, he doesn’t want peacekeepers in the western border of Ukraine. And he doesn’t want a Lousy ceasefire. And he doesn’t want Ukraine to join NATO, the European Union later on, okay, the rum state of Ukraine probably.
I would go as far as to say that maybe Putin would have preferred Kamala to be elected instead, so he would have the excuse to take all of Ukraine. So, Ukraine would become a state completely subordinate to Russia and would act as a state in between, okay, a buffer state, as is the role of Ukraine. As all of your gentlemen know, Ukraine now in Russian means the border. It’s the border between Russia and Western Europe. So, right now, Trump knows perfectly that Putin wouldn’t be powerless. He wouldn’t be a very tough negotiator. He wouldn’t accept no BS.
He won’t do something that would reflect that Russia has been utterly victorious in this affair. So, by trashing Zelensky in front of everyone, in front of the home planet, he hoped to appease Putin a little bit. But I think that Putin will need a lot more, meaning a big chunk of Ukraine and the absolute firm guarantee that Ukraine will never, never, never, ever be part of the European Union and of NATO to be appeased.
And let’s not forget that we have to put this in the very big scheme of Eurasian integration and of European global security architecture. European architecture and global security architecture. So that serene scene was something quite entertaining that I admit that I laugh a lot with my friends at home, but under that is truly the future of mankind and of global security architecture.
Jeff: You know, it’s funny you say that, Quan, because I think that Putin is going to be too soft and too easy. I think he needs Medvedev and Medvedev’s team to get in there and do the negotiations, who are harder nosed. I just have a feeling that Putin’s going to give away the store. That’s just my feeling. You don’t agree, Frans?
Frans: I don’t think so. He learned a lot from China, how to negotiate. And for sure, you will have Chinese advisors and strategists on this matter. I’m very confident on that.
Jeff: All right. What about you, Peter? Do you think Putin’s going to be a tough negotiator? Is he going to cave in?
Peter: Negotiating now is just a show. Trust me, because you know, if you have ever done business before. Let’s say you’re in business with another company. You want to do business with another company. And this company and this company have a reputation of lying every time, and you know, not doing what they say they would do. A thousand contracts, you know, and a thousand contracts got thrown away, would you still want to like, hey, you know, let’s go sign another contract? If you do, it’s all for show.
And like I said, you know, you talk, yes, you need to talk. But at the end of the day what good does it do? On the other side, you know, 100% is going to lie and go back on the agreement. So, all you’re going to do is make use of the talk to get the most of what you think you need because talking also lowers the temperature and you know you can make shows now and then and there will be, you know, shows like yesterday or whatever, you know, and people will talk and get distracted.
But, you know, the real thing is what’s happening, you know, for real. So, they have to understand that this whole thing, this whole war is not just Ukraine; Ukraine is doing a small part of it. And how do you cause the fall of the hegemon? That’s the important part. And that is at the end of the day, the goal. The goal is to defend the hegemon. And the divine hegemon is to remove the dollar hegemony. You know, everything is based on this lie that we need to survive with the US dollar.
It’s almost like oxygen or someone says, well, you need to breathe nitrous oxide to survive. And you believe it. And you keep sniffing it and at the end of the day you know, you forget that you don’t actually need it. And if someone says, hey, you don’t actually need it, you’ll be you know what, I’m going to die, you know, let’s live some more. And finally, people do have to do, you know, it becomes an addiction and at the end of the day if you believe it, then it’s powerful. Right?
So, you have to understand that at the end of the day we need to defend the hegemon and the war is a part of it. And the other side of obviously we have to start not using it and wean ourselves from this addiction. And that will be the day when everything will just happen fine, you know, it doesn’t matter if America wants to lie, keep lying. They can keep lying to themselves. But the rest of the world, you know, will say, well, that’s not breathe it. And then you’ll see what happens. Then they become completely powerless without the American dollar. Right? Think about it.
Jeff: Alex, I saw a quick blurb by Alex Cranor today. He was on some podcast. And he said the reason that Zelensky will not sign the paper to give the United States the rare earth met minerals is because they already signed the same damn thing with the English with their 100- or 200-year agreement. And that England beat the United States to it. I don’t know if that’s true or not.
Quan: Yeah, but I would like to give some data here. There is practically no rare earth in Ukraine, and there is a little bit of rare earth in Ukraine, but it’s in the part that the Russians are controlling, not in the part that Zelensky is controlling.
Peter: Yeah.
Quan: And that 44% of rare earths is controlled by China, 22% by Vietnam, 10% by Russia. And a lot of stuff on the side of the bricks. So it’s all fantasy from the Americans. And they know that the ruling class knows that. It’s the same scam as what happened in Afghanistan, okay? Wow, there’s a lot of minerals and blah, blah, blah, but it never became true. So, it’s part of the clown show too. And I would like to go back to what happened yesterday.
Pito is speaking of the fact that we have to define the hegemon. One of the things that we need to define the hegemon is its psychological prestige. And what happened today, not today, but yesterday at the White House, it was such a clown show that it brought down the prestige of the United States in one hour that I could have never imagined that such a clownish scene would happen in the Oval Office.
Imagine for the people in the global south, I would say even third world countries, who look up to the states for the last 50 years, watching that. Let’s not forget that we are in a position that we know that the US deep states are clowns, are made of clowns. But it’s not that obvious for many people living in the global south. So, it was very precious in terms of psychological operation.
I also want to say that part of the defining of the… what I call the KFC as IL and the aristocratic field of conglomerate of the Anglo-Ziono American establishment is the victory of Russia in Ukraine, okay? That victory removed completely the military prestige of the US. And two, what happened in the last three months with China, with the production of a lot of artificial intelligence machines with the advancement of Chinese technology was also a Sputnik moment, or I prefer to call a Swiss moment, a technological Swiss moment.
Plus, the Swiss moment from Russia, which is a true Swiss moment, plus the Swiss moment from Iran, who said that Iran would not be scared by the threat from Netanyahu and from the White House. Because now we have a hegemon which is much bigger than the British hegemon. It took the combined effort of the three sovereigns to contain it and to define it, to use the excellent word that Peter chose to use.
Jeff: Personally, I just don’t see how anything can work on a long-term basis without Russia going all the way to the borders of Romania, Moldova, Slovakia, Hungary, and Poland. I just don’t see how. Because the Europeans are going to continue to pour anything that they can until they bankrupt France and me. They’re not going to stop. I mean, the Starmer’s already saying we’re putting troops in Ukraine. I think they have to go all the way to the borders of the European Union. What do you all think?
Frans: That’s right. And don’t forget that Monsanto already has a lot of land. They own a lot of land in the Western Ukraine and some other big American conglomerates. They own land, unbelievable.
Jeff: BlackRock. Blackrock has got a bunch too.
Frans: Yeah. Right, right.
Quan: I would like to make a, sorry, go ahead, Jeff.
Jeff: No, I would like to…
Quan: Sorry, Jeff, go ahead.
Jeff: No, I’m just going to say maybe you go ahead.
Quan: You go ahead.
Jeff: No, no, no, no, no, no. Beauty before age.
Quan: Oh, my God. What kind words. Okay. What I want to say is that I would like to make a prediction because the run corporation is preparing a spinning operation for the Poles and it’s called the Trimarium Initiative, the three C’s initiatives. The three C’s being the Baltic Seas. The Mediterranean Sea and the Black Sea, okay, because now that the Ukrainians are out of manpower.
The next, and you’re right, Jeff, I’m saying that in the sense that going in the same direction as you, that now the Ukrainians are more or less neutralized. The polls would be excited with the three C’s initiative. And that won’t bring on Romania, Bulgaria, and all the other Eastern European countries. And they will be sacrificed to the madness of the run corporation and of the KFC as IL so one narrative after the other.
Jeff: Okay. I think at the very least they need to go to Odessa and cut Ukraine off from the Black Sea.
Quan: Absolutely.
Jeff: I mean, they should at least keep Ukraine from having access to the Black Sea. I mean, to me, that’s just a minimum. I don’t know. I just, of course, right now they’re still gobbling up land, but they do it very slowly. They do it so slowly to save lives and will save Russian lives and save civilian lives. You know they’re just going. They say, oh, we took over 10 villages, but it’s only 800 meters or maybe one kilometer. So, they’re just painstakingly slow, but I don’t know. I’m worried that. I just wish that Medved had a place at the table so that he could put the Americans in their place.
Quan: Jeff, why did you think that Putin would cave? Because I always thought that Putin and Medvedev were playing an own game quite well known to the Americans, good cop and bad cop.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah, black hat, white hat, yeah. Because Putin is a nice guy.
Quan: You’ll think so?
Jeff: Yeah, I think so. I think he’s a nice guy and I think he’s too nice. And, you know, he didn’t catch on to 10 years. And he should have gone into Ukraine back in 2014 and he didn’t do it. Go ahead.
Quan: Maybe he was not ready in 2014.
Peter: True, true.
Jeff: Yeah, that’s possible. That’s possible.
Quan: Okay. Probably that, I have to admit that I put Putin a little bit on the pedestal in the sense that I think he’s a statement on the same level as Xi Jinping. So, a state man has to be careful. And I’m absolutely sure that he did not reply at once in 2014 because the Russian state might not already, they would have been crushed by NATO if he attacked in 2014.
Jeff: That’s possible. That’s possible. What do you think, Frans?
Frans: I don’t know. I’m very confident that Putin will play this very well and his team, because it’s not just about putting himself, it’s about how he has the support from a whole team of people and telling him how to negotiate and which strategy to apply and so on. So don’t worry about that too much. I’m very confident in this matter.
But I want to raise another issue in this. That is, I would like to know more about the Chinese view on what happened yesterday. It was not very beautiful and it is completely different from what’s happening in China. As per the Chinese culture and traditions, what do they think about such a terrible show? Such a disgusting show. What is the Chinese way of thinking on what happened on that? That’s what I wonder about.
Jeff: By the way, Frans, we lost your video. We’ve got your audio, but we lost your video.
Frans: Oh, let me try.
Jeff: You’re gone. So, you’re asking what do you think the Chinese think about what happened yesterday?
Frans: Right, exactly.
Jeff: All right, Peter, what do you think?
Peter: Well, you have a circus when you elect a clown. You know, like I said, it’s unpredictable.
Jeff: Yeah. There you go. You’re back, Franz.
Peter: You know, like I said the first time, that’s what I said. It’s all you know, like people are surprised, but I am not surprised at all. Trump is a clown. I said, you know, the moment Trump comes back he’s going to wreak havoc with America or even the world. And he’s going to attack his allies. I said exactly that because it’s all predictable. He’s done it before too, you know, it’s not like it’s new. And people are surprised and all that. It’s not surprising. You know, when you go. So right now, American politics is a free-for-all circus.
Everybody lies. They are desperately trying to keep this lie going. And the big lie at the end of the day is the American dollar. You know, once you expose, you know, how wickedness it is, you know, and everything will just fall away. And it’s good that way, you know, you don’t want it to end up with like a real big war. You want to just remove the curtain, you know, like at the end of the day, the Wizard of Oz, you know, it’s just an old man cranking away, making big noise.
And that’s why, you know, when this war began, I think I can probably find it. I said exactly this. Because it happens every time. America will walk away, you see, and it will walk away for many reasons. And this is one reason you know, like people say, ah, Trump is very peaceful, actually Trump knows that this will lead to no good. And he will walk away and maybe he is forced to walk away.
You know, a lot of it is forced to walk away because they know that it can continue. How do you like to spend less money and win wars with both Russia and China? It’s impossible. So they’re going to walk away. And when they walk away, that’s the end. And so, I said too. That means because they’ve always said that we have to win… we have to win. And when they walk away, NATO will be destroyed. And this is the beginning of the destruction of NATO. Yeah.
Jeff: Let’s hope so. Let’s hope so. Well, back to what Frans said. I should have read it, but Amaranth Flower, another one of our esteemed members of the China Writers Group, yesterday said something in the China Writers Faculty that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson for China, the man, not the woman, I can’t think of the guy’s name. But for her, his response to what was not about the meeting yesterday, but just the whole general trend with the United States, he gave one of the toughest, most blunt, and undiplomatic statements about the United States and that kind of getting back to the old wolf, you know, the Wolf diplomacy. And so maybe China is getting sick of it. I mean, it’s, you know. Well, I know we all are.
Quan: Well, I would like to quote a Turkish proverb. When a clown goes to a palace, the clown doesn’t become a king, but the palace becomes a circus.
Peter: Exactly.
Jeff: Is that really true? Is that really a Turkish proverb?
Quan: Yeah, yeah, it’s from the Sufi tradition from Turkey.
Jeff: Okay, that’s really interesting. Well, listen, guys, we’ve covered Russia, Ukraine. What’s next? What about China? What about Palestine? What about Greenland?
Peter: China economic collapse.
Jeff: What did you say, Peter?
Peter: I said China economic collapse. The Western narrative. China is going to be finished, you know, like the economy is dying and the real estate is finished. So, what do you think?
Jeff: I’m publishing a little short deal tomorrow where I have a recent cover. Did one of you guys supply? Anyway, somebody put up the front cover of The Economist magazine. And it shows Xi Jinping riding a snail talking about how Xi was destroying the Chinese economy because he was going too slow. And the economy has only doubled since he became president. I mean, give me a break.
Peter: I’ll tell you how China could, according to western capitalism how China can quickly improve their GDP is to open it up, open China up for porn and casinos, gambling. You’ll immediately get a $500 billion economy added to China’s economy. Opening at the point.
Jeff: But the problem is that China does not include gambling and criminal activity in their GDP whereas Western countries do.
Peter: Yeah, they open business, you know, you just sell them a business to do porn.
Jeff: Illegal drugs and prostitution, and all that, illegal gambling, that’s all included in America’s GDP.
Peter: Exactly. Yeah.
Jeff: Frans, when were you last in China?
Frans: Last year, September, October, November, I was in China.
Jeff: Okay, so it’s been about six months. Yeah. We were there, and I realized Shenzhen is a jewel of a city, but we were there in December, and it’s just mind-boggling. You just cannot begin to convey to people what’s going on in that country. And then we were there in May? Yeah, May of last year. And we got out into the countryside and we got into Anhui and we got into Guangxi and we got into Hunan.
And we would rent taxis and go out, you know, 50, 70, 80, 90, because you can rent a taxi in China for nothing with a driver for like $75 a day to drive to drive all over where you want them to go, We went into small villages and small towns. It’s unbelievable. What that country is doing is just… How do you explain to people what the transformation that the country’s going through is, just unbelievable. I mean, you traveled around some too, didn’t you? Frans, you went to several places, didn’t you?
Frans: Yes, I started with Beijing around there. In my whole time in China last year, I had not too much time to visit tourist spots, also because almost every evening we were having dinner with friends and other people who invited me everywhere from Beijing to Nanjing and Shanghai. So I started in Beijing, went to Shanghai, Suzhou, and then to Kunming, from Kunming I have taken the high-speed train to Luang Prabang in Laos.
Jeff: Oh, wow.
Frans: And that was amazing, really beautiful. You pass through pure where they make the famous tea, They also have large coffee plantations there in the south of China. Really, I’m beautiful, really the train is going out over bridges high over the mountains, wow really beautiful. And Laos is the same, really. Laos is quite poor, I must say, traditional also somewhat more or less like China, maybe 30 years ago, not too many cars, very back roads even in the big cities, no proper roads. We went to Luang Prabang to see that famous waterfall. It was terrible.
That road was… Yeah. Okay. Not really a road. But dirt cheap, everything dirt cheap, of course, are even much cheaper than in China, you can imagine. I had a problem with my visa for Laos, and so we are stuck in Boten. Boten is a small city right over the border with China to Laos. And there they catch me with a visa expired, actually. So that has taken a day to get a new visa. But it was quite interesting because in Boten, that city is actually a Chinese city. The people in the north of Laos speak more or less the same as in the south of Kunming Province, help me.
Jeff: Yunan.
Frans: Yunan, right. And which is also the same as in the more or less the same that can understand each other as in the north of Thailand. And that city there, they are building. You cannot imagine the whole city of Boten. They are building apartments, factories, roads. Unbelievable. And of course, a lot of mineral mining there, which is going straight over the border to China. And you can speak Chinese there in that city in Laos. You can pay with WeChat. You can pay in Chinese money. It’s actually a Chinese city.
But they are developing Laos. They’re helping Laos with that. A lot of people working there in the factories and on the buildings, it’s a construction area or Laos people managed by Chinese people who, of course, will be rich very fast, these Chinese guys. But special, special atmosphere in that city because it’s so very Chinese, but you are in another country. From Luang Prabang, somewhere in the middle of Laos, we went to Chiang Mai. And there I met Eric and Godfree. Also, yeah, interesting, guys.
From there, I went to Bangkok and then further to Koh Samui. You know, Koh Samui is that island in the south of Thailand where the political refugees, the western political refugees, are living together. It’s a strange group of people, 20, 25 people I’ve given a lecture for them. Ian McKinney is also there. And they are living there in peace away from the western world speaking English and German and Dutch and so on. Yes, these are people who are political refugees really in the real sense of that word.
They have their own world there. And you know, in Chiang Mai there’s also such a group, it’s not just Godfree Robert who’s living there, there are a lot of Western people who left the West to live there a peaceful life away from the West and all the political troubles in the West and so on. I was surprised to see how harmoniously they are living there together. I didn’t know it existed. From time to time, I’m in contact with Zoom also with these people. They, of course, also have their ups and downs.
Sometimes they have to cancel a lecture or so, but extremely interesting. From there I went back to Bangkok, stayed there for a couple of days, and watched the Chinese living in Bangkok. You know, the Thai economy is actually enhanced, almost 80% of ethnic Chinese people. Not necessarily from mainland China, but also a lot from mainland Taiwan. Taiwanese Chinese living in Bangkok are running a lot of different businesses.
And from Bangkok, I came back home. So, now I’m planning a new trip to China again, for two or three months or so. And I already have a list of more than 20 places where I am invited and should go. You can imagine already now. I don’t even know when I will go. But so many people say, hey, you go to China and so come here and so on. Yeah, okay. I’m trying to put everything together to make a travel plan from that.
Jeff: What do you guys think about Godfree had an article about a month ago where he said that now that Trump is in office that Trump is going to let Taiwan hang out to dry and push Taiwan to go back with the motherland by the end of 2025, 2026.
Jeff: What do you think? What do you think, Peter? Do you think it’s possible?
Frans: He doesn’t have to push. They will beg to go to China.
Jeff: Well, let me tell you what. We’ve been here for five months. We got here October 22nd. And so, October, November, December, January, February, four months. Let me tell you what these people don’t like Mainland. And they have been so brainwashed since 1949, Chiang Kai-shek and the anti-communists and all that. We’re shocked. I mean, I just like, well, Evelyne doesn’t really get into it, but they’re very nationalistic.
And being an island, you know, islands are different than continental because isolated. And they were colonized by the Japanese, you know, from 1895 to 1945, and they’ve been essentially culturally semi-colonized by the United States since 1949. And I’m very careful how I talk in Chinese with these people. I don’t talk about, you know, I don’t even say China. I call it Dalu. The continent.
Peter: Mainland.
Jeff: Yeah, the mainland. And they, you know, and I don’t talk about Chinese cooking. I talk about Taiwanese cooking. And the other day we slipped up. We slipped up and I happened to say Chinese cooking while we were having lunch with some Taiwanese friends, and they kind of gave me the look, you know, Taiwan cooking. So, they are extremely nationalistic and they are extremely. They have a really strong sense of Taiwanese identity, which is true for all island people. I mean, all island people have a very strong sense of identity and independence because they are…
They’re surrounded by water. But if it ever came to the point where China actually had to invade Taiwan, I think the Taiwanese would put up a hell of a fight for as long as they could because they’re Taiwanese. They really feel Taiwanese. And the identity is extremely strong. Only two or three percent, Poll after poll show, well, at least if you can believe the polls, only two to three percent want to reintegrate with the mainland today. The vast majority of them want the status quo, which is what’s going on now, which means they kind of have the best of both worlds and they don’t have to suffer, but I don’t know. Quan, what do you think?
Quan: I think that the long-term solution is the right one in the sense that I often repeat that. Well, that’s Sundar’s theory, okay? The worst way to win the war is by kinetic war. The best way to win a war is by epistemological expansion. Epistemological expansion for me means technological expansion, scientific expansion, economic expansion, financial expansion. And I want to go back to what Peter said. The core of US power is really the USD. And how are we going to make the USD die without having World War III is by having a completely different world.
And it is what China is doing now. Developing by the band and road initiative, the rest of the world, which is 85% of the population by giving them infrastructure, by giving them technology, by giving them an overture to the one that is not through the glances of the Big Lie Propaganda Machine. And I summarize on that under the two words epistemological development. And I think that in the specific case of Taiwan, it’s the same because they have been brainwashed to the fact of the Chinese from the mainland re-talked and backward people. They are more than a million Taiwanese working in China now, okay?
So, I’m sure that they informed a little bit brainwashed compatriots that the mainland people are not retarded that are quite technologically advanced. They are civilized people and, in some way, they are the true inheritor of Chinese civilization because part of the brainwashing of the Taiwanese is that they see themselves as the true inheritors of Chinese civilization. Let’s not forget that when Chiang Kai-shek or Chiang Kishu went to Taiwan in 1949, he took a lot of pieces of art from the Forbidden City
Jeff: And gold.
Quan: Exactly. And the museum in Taipei holds a lot of Chinese art. So, it’s part of the pretension of being the true inheritor of Chinese civilization. But I think that China now is at a level of development that is quite impressive for that narrative to be eroded slowly. And with time they would see that the true inheritors of Chinese civilization are living in the mainland and not in the tiny island of Taiwan. And it will be spontaneous once again by epistemological development because what the KFC as IL US won precisely is a big, big kinetic war. But they won’t get it.
And I want to remind you that Trump in 2019 sent a baked armada to China but he chickens out at the last moment. And the next step was the attempt to make a strangulation on the Chinese economy in the so-called COVID crisis. And China had received a lot of bioweapons during that COVID crisis. It was the second attempt to bring down China, but it did not work. So, five years later, 2025, China is considerably more powerful. So, I think that the level of veterans has been breached to a level that I don’t believe too much in a mad and reckless move by the US because they are not that mad or that dumb after all, and if we can keep on.
Jeff: I don’t know.
Quan: Yeah, wow. It’s always a possibility. But let’s say that the probability is decreased. And that’s why I said to you and to the group, Jeff, maybe 20 minutes ago that I put Vladimir Putin on a pedestal probably because of the fact that I’m grateful to him for having taken a stand against the collective attack in Ukraine, because it saves a lot of time for China. When it started to counterattack on February 2022, it gave China enough time to develop technologically. And I’m quite sure it’s a team effort, okay?
Because I often repeat my catchphrase, the three major sovereigns. China has her own business in East Asia. Russia has her own business in Europe and the Middle East, and Iran has her own business in the Middle East. Of course, the relation between China and Russia is much closer than the relation between China and Iran. But I see Iran as part of the three big sovereigns, and those three big sovereigns or those three major sovereigns wouldn’t be the engine for Eurasian integration and from the Eurasian citadel wouldn’t be the primary cause of world peace and development.
And I would like to take another 20 minutes to offer my acronym peace and glory, okay? Peace and glory. P is for peace and order, E is for education offered to everyone, A is for aristocracy open to everyone, and aristocracy for me is not hereditary nobility but development of the mind. C is for comfort for a dignified life. E is for established universal healthcare and glory. G is for global security initiative, a global security architecture.
L is for lifting everyone on earth out of poverty. O is for opening of the minds to the inner universe. R is for researchers on the outer universe, and Y is for yearning for space exploration with real projects in action. Well, what the three major sovereigns China, Russia, and Iran are offering to mankind is precisely peace and glory. And I think that more and more people on earth are beginning to understand that peace and glory would come from China, Russia, and Iran and not from the old colonial and neocolonial powers.
Jeff: Peter, do you think that Taiwan will try to do something stupid or that the United States will do something crazy to try to push Taiwan to declare independence?
Peter: Well, because Taiwan is a kind of sore spot for China. And, you know, it’s not easy to change people’s minds. You know, China has a very good saying, you know, it’s easy to move mountains. I tend to change a person’s mind. And when there are people that have been brainwashed, it’s very difficult. I mean, you can show them, look, this is China. This is you, Taiwan. They will not see it. So that part of it is hard. And that’s why China will not want to actually, need to go to war.
And even when I wrote those articles about how China could now invade, but without bloodshed, take Taiwan, but certainly with violence. The most important part of that project actually needs to have a plan for D-Day plus one. It’s like what happens after you win. And that’s the part where, like, I think China was not prepared to do, probably even today. So, you need to have some infrastructure of covenants. For even if you can take Taiwan in 24 hours, what happens after? So, that’s important. And that’s what you need to build up before you actually go and take it. Even if Trump says, go and take it. I think China will probably not want to do that. So, you want to have people.
Frans: Exactly.
Peter: Yeah, you want people, you want to have an infrastructure like I talked to, you know. Ma Yingzhou or whoever, you know, like organize something, a shadow government thing like that takes time, you know, whatever. In any case, that’s my take is that why China needs to be more patient with taking over Taiwan. And that’s why Taiwan is just so smart because it’s so smart, Trump and whoever the American hegemony will want to use that to break China with it.
And I predict that they will step over, step on the line, step over the line, whatever, and see China can’t do anything about it because they don’t want to do anything about it at this point. So, China has their own long-term strategy for how to take back Taiwan and Taiwan will come back. I mean, there is no other way to go. China does not need to attack Taiwan. Taiwan needs to import their fuel, where do they get it? You don’t have fuel. What do you do?
It’s the same thing with Japan and Korea, you know it’s like… You don’t need to go to war with them. Just make sure that no fuel goes to them. And next thing you know, they can’t fight the war for you. So, this is the same thing in America, also think about that too, you know that’s why. So maybe let’s stop fuel going to China. And that’s what China’s been doing, trying to counter that is just a lot of strategic thinking for, you know, like what happens in the long term.
So, I see, you know, in the long run, Taiwan goes back to China one way or another. And in fact, China doesn’t want to run it. China said to Taiwan a long time ago. You go in there and do whatever, even keep the army, you know, we can talk about how to do two things. And, you know, it didn’t work out. So, I think that I don’t worry about the small stuff. So, I can see why there is all this talk about Taiwan and I also don’t worry about America or whatever actually making war with China on Taiwan, it would not happen. You know, it’s silly.
Jeff: Do you agree, Frans? Frans took off his headset. Well, I have hidden in my drawer a PRC flag. When the PLA comes knocking on our door, and I also have my copy of my business license for our Shenzhen LLC, so they can see that we have business in the mainland. So, we’re waiting for them with open arms. Something happened with Frans. I don’t know what happened. I was going to ask him what he thought. Well, guys, we’ve been going for an hour. Is there anything else we’d like to talk about tonight?
Quan: Go ahead, Peter.
Peter: I just think that this is good stuff. Maybe people are, you know, like not getting too used to like working as a group. That’s why I would like to see people be more engaging like on the blog, get together like this is really nice, you know, like rather than just an occasional email. Sometimes I know also some of the members just sitting around watching and never giving their opinion about anything. It’s fine. You know, it’s not for everyone, but you know, like we should encourage more exchanges like this. It is very good.
Quan: Yeah.
Jeff: Shall we call it a night or do you want to talk about something, Quan?
Quan: Maybe the question of Palestine, what do you think, Jeff, because I would say that.
Jeff: Well, you really hit a sore spot for me. It infuriates me. You know, I personally think what’s going on is, in fact, I call him the Trump and Musko. And I really think all this stuff about all these theatrics, you know, like yesterday and all the NATO stuff, they are leveling the West Bank. They are slaughtering tens of thousands of people in the West Bank and no one is reporting about it. And they are going to Trump, you know, moved the US embassy to East Jerusalem in his first term.
And I predict that by the end of Trump’s Second term, greater Judea will be include Gaza, they’ll annex Gaza. They will annex the West Bank because there’ll be nothing left of it and they’ll turn it into high rent apartments that Trump and his son-in-law can invest in, Jared Kushner. And they are going to take the Golan Heights. They’re going to annex the Golan Heights and they’re going to annex in all but name Western Syria.
And they’re going to do it. And they’re going to get away with it. And unfortunately, as much as we all like China and Russia, they’re not going to stop them. They’re covering their own assets. And they’re just… they’re buying time and they’re hoping that the whole thing will collapse before it continues. But these people are really, really serious about greater Judea from the Nile River to the Euphrates River. I mean, they are working on it and they’re succeeding.
And I wish that Russia and China would be more forthright and standing up to this, I mean, these are grotesque crimes against humanity and grotesque crimes against just everything. But the West Bank will no longer exist in another year. They will completely flatten it and they will because you’re doing it right now, and then they will bulldoze down the mosque, the great mosque, what is it called, the temple on the dome, I can’t remember. What’s the great mosque?
Quan: The Al Aqsa Mosque.
Jeff: The Al Aqsa Mosque. They will level it and they will get away with it because no one will stand up to them. And China doesn’t want to get involved because they know they can’t do anything about it. Russia doesn’t want to get involved because they know they can’t do anything about it. And that is the prize. I mean, all this other stuff is just theatrics to deflect from the fact that that’s what they’re going to do. And you mark my word, all of those lands will be annexed by 2028. That’s what I think.
Quan: Yes. That’s what I think too. And to a certain extent, I would say that there would probably be three big entities on earth, the KFC as IL, China, Russia, and maybe the fourth one, Iran. And I see it really on the long term in the sense that we will not bring down US and KFC as IL in the three years or in 10 years, right? But I want to come back again to the question of the USD hegemony because the true American hegemony is not the army or the Navy.
It’s not the technology. They have already lost on those things. It’s still the reserve status of the American currency. And that will take more time because trade and exchanges would have to be done in other currencies in order to counterbalance the USD because the American government would not declare one day, well, now we simply relinquish our International status for the USDA.
It would happen naturally when you have other currencies that would be used in international trade and in international financial operations. And that is the big thing that will probably happen at a meaningful level in the next 10, 15, 20 years. That is why it is absolutely vital not to fall into the trap of going all out to war. And Vladimir Putin, he was forced to counterattack because if he did not counterattack in 2022, he would have Macell’s at his doorstep.
So, it was not a war in the sense of an initiative to war but rather of self-protection. But in doing that, he exposed that NATO is not the almighty and ever victorious army that it pretended to be. So, it is a big victory for the sovereign. NATO, it has been exposed. American technology has been exposed as not so extraordinary. American trade and supply chain have been exposed as not so efficient. So, the last real tool of power of the KFC as IL is still the EOUSD.
And the day that USD would not even collapse, but would only be, let’s say reduced to 50% of what it is right now. It wouldn’t be enough for us to be in a true new world order, not the World Economic Forum new world order, of course, but the two new world orders of the sovereigns. And Palestine, I agree with you that it would be too late to prevent the creation of Greater Israel because it will take at least 10 to 15 years to establish that new war order of the sovereigns.
Jeff: What do you think, Peter?
Peter: I suggest that let us not be too pessimistic about what’s happening there because Palestine is also poison for the hegemon and for Israel. It is poison, after all. And they cannot rid themselves of it. If they could, they would already have, but they cannot. And as you see, they’re just repeating doing the same crazy things, oh we’re going to eliminate Hamas, and you cannot eliminate Hamas. If they could, they would already have eliminated Hamas. Why wait until today? But yet they will continue to do what they did.
And it’s good because in a sense, it just takes away the mask that you know, like wow, you know, these people have human rights. Anyways, at the end of the day, Israel survives because of the hegemon, and the hegemon will have to leave someday. Trust me. It will not have the means or the power to keep swallowing this poison, and when, just like today, they walk away from Ukraine, they’re going to walk away from Israel as well, not because they want to, but because that’s the only way.
Quan: Yeah.
Peter: And when that happens, what happens? Just think about it, you know the thing not about next month, next year. Think about, you know, the next 10 years, the next 50 years. The Palestinians are not going to go away. I’m sorry, and Palestinians is what? They’re just brothers of the Arabs and the Islamic people. And we’re talking about 300 million even today, you know, Islamic people, and we’re talking about 20 percent, you know, Palestinians in Israel. So, they are not going to disappear.
There may be powerless now. But you know, they do not die. That’s the hard part, you cannot say what you will. These people are tough. They’ve been there for so many years, decades, and with nothing, no hope. You say, they do not go away. And that’s what I say when I said that the problem of the Palestinians at the end of the day, they have to actually win it themselves as well, you know. They can just sit there and say, well, you know, let’s hope that Russia comes and solves this problem for us.
Well, let’s hope the other Arabs are coming. No, the Arabs will help or whatever and do whatever they can. But at the end of the day, it’s also their war and they have to suffer and they have to die many of them. And if you look at history, and this is what it is. People, when you let other people fight the war for you, then you never actually win, just like the black people in America. If you tell them, when have you ever fought for your own freedom?
That’s why you are not free today. If you have fault for your own freedom, then, you know, maybe. But you haven’t. You didn’t. So, all you got to do is be bullied today, even in America. So, the Palestinian people have proven that they are resilient, proven that you cannot defeat them, and at the end of the day, when America leaves and the hegemon goes away, it has no power. Let’s see how Israel survives around 300 million people who hate them.
You know, you don’t even have to kill anyone. You just don’t do anything with them. Shut them down. And see how long they can live within that wall or thrive even though. You know, think the long game. That’s why I feel a lot more peaceful. I mean, I obviously don’t like to see ordinary people, women and children dying like that. But sometimes if you think, look at history, a lot of times, there’s a price to pay.
Jeff: Well, on that local note, go ahead, Quan.
Quan: Now, I just want to say that I’m delighted by Peter’s speech because I have to admit that I can’t see things from the perspective of Greg Powers, but it’s true. That is to the Palestinian people and to the people of the place to uphold the rights by their own fight. And I have to say that the axis of resistance in the Middle East has been particularly honorable and outstanding in the last 10 years.
Jeff: Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see, you know, they’re setting up agencies to ship the Palestinians who want to volunteer to leave. And I guess that’ll be a litmus test if no one goes to those agencies to leave, then it will definitely make it much, much harder for Trump to build his string of hotels on the Gazan coast. Well, listen, guys, this has been great. I think maybe Frans had to leave, but thank you all so much for being on tonight. I think it was a great discussion. I can tell you last time that the last one we had, number two, was something like close to 15,000 people access the show. So, it’s not just for us; It’s a lot of people, you know.
Quan: Wow.
Jeff: And I get it transcribed. And I do audio, video, and written transcripts so it takes care of all the bases and a lot of people are interested in what we have to say, So I really appreciate you all taking the time and the effort to make this such a stimulating discussion. I learned a lot.
Quan: Yeah, and thank you, Jeff, for creating this group as a banner for the sovereigns.
Jeff: And good to see you, Peter. You know, Peter actually came and stayed with us for a couple of nights when we were living in Shenzhen.
Peter: That’s right. That’s right. Amazing.
Jeff: We met each other. And I’m going to come to Montreal and see Quan.
Quan: Yeah, sure, sure.
Jeff: So anyway, guys, I will give you all a Buddhist bow and thank you all very much.
Peter: Right.
Jeff: And we’re surrounded by temples here in Taiwan. We were just at one today, the Demu, the mother god, the earth mother temple, just a 25-minute walk from where we live. Anyway, I’ll get this out and maybe you all can blast it out on your social media and your websites, etc. So, thank you all very much.
Quan: Thank you, Jeff.
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