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China Writers’ Roundtable Discussion #4: we cover the globe and all the hot spots in the headlines, of which there are many!

Sixteen years on the streets, living and working with the people of China, Jeff

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Jeff and Quan discussed the geopolitical landscape, focusing on the relationships between China, North Korea, Russia, and Iran. They also discussed the impact of the ongoing tariff war on global economies, the digital Yuan system, and the concept of autonomy in various fields. Lastly, they touched on the potential for global hegemony, the potential impact of China cutting off diplomatic relations with the Jewish state, and the evolving geopolitical situation.

Summary

China’s Economic Influence and Global Relations
Quan and Jeff discussed the geopolitical landscape, focusing on the relationships between China, North Korea, Russia, and Iran. They highlighted the integration of these countries and the implications of their mutual defense treaties. Quan emphasized that China’s economy is not export-driven, with 81% of its GDP coming from internal development. He also pointed out that the US only contributes 2.3% to China’s economy, and that China has been leading in 57 or 64 of the critical techno-scientific sectors. Jeff agreed with Quan’s points and added that the Russians have acknowledged North Korean involvement in the conflict in Kursk. They concluded by noting that China has been decoupling from the US economy since 2018.

Tariff War’s Impact on Global Economies
Jeff and Quan discussed the impact of the ongoing tariff war on global economies, particularly the United States and China. They noted that the chaos and indecision surrounding the tariffs could be beneficial for powerful financial institutions like the City of London and Wall Street, as they could profit from the situation. They also touched on the potential for insider trading and the influence of these institutions on political decisions. Quan emphasized the need for autonomous techno-scientific, industrial, and fintech capabilities for sovereign civilizational states like China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea to break free from Western control systems.

Digital Yuan System Expansion
Quan discussed the digital Yuan system, which includes the 10 countries of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and 6 countries from the Middle East. This system covers 40% of international trade, reaching almost a trillion dollars last year. Jeff inquired about the system’s compatibility with other currencies and its expansion. Quan also mentioned the Chinese track, a special exchange system between China and Russia, and the Chinese International Payment System (CIPS).

Autonomy and Global Power Dynamics
Quan discussed the concept of autonomy in various fields, including technology, industry, and diplomacy. He highlighted China’s recent invention of a hydrogen bomb and the possession of hypersonic missiles by the three major sovereign civilizational states. Quan also mentioned the Swift financial system and its potential vulnerability to manipulation. He emphasized the importance of the Eurasian citadel in dealing with the tantrums of high oligarchs unwilling to relinquish their global power. Quan also touched on the Rumsfeld Sebrovsky doctrine, which aims to provoke chaos and disorder globally. He concluded by discussing the potential of the Chinese digital currency and the importance of the four centers of Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea.

Nixon’s Legacy and the Petrodollar System
Jeff and Quan discussed the concept of the “Asian Quad” and the “Cacocratic Feudal Conglomerate of the Anglo Zio American Establishment” (KFCASL). They agreed that the latter term accurately describes the high oligarchs of the West, who wield significant influence over global affairs. Quan highlighted the importance of understanding the interests of these oligarchs, particularly in relation to China. They also discussed the legacy of former US President Nixon, who was known for his diplomatic efforts with China and his attempts to uncover the truth about the assassination of President Kennedy. Quan emphasized Nixon’s role in creating the “petrol dollar” system, which allowed the US to live on credit for several generations.

Palestine’s Struggle for Sovereignty Continues
Quan and Jeff discussed the ongoing situation in Palestine and its implications for the future. Jeff expressed deep concern about the continuous expansion of the Jewish State, predicting that it will lead to the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza and the capture of Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. He also criticized the United Nations for its inability to address the issue due to the veto power of the United States, France, and Britain. Quan agreed with Jeff’s analysis but added that the situation in Palestine is a denial of justice and that the Hamas, despite being a creature of alphabet soup agencies, has shown valor and wisdom. He also mentioned that the present-day Iran and Khamenei are sovereign entities, despite the suspicion that Khomeini was an asset of the alphabet soup agencies. Quan concluded that the struggle for Palestine’s sovereignty is not over and that the Palestinians themselves will be capable of gaining power and sovereignty.

Global Hegemony and Peace Initiatives
Quan discussed the potential for global hegemony and the need for powerful states to establish peace and harmony. He emphasized the importance of states like Russia, Iran, China, and North Korea in achieving this goal, as they are willing and capable of putting limits on the Anglo-zyo American establishment. Quan also mentioned the importance of reading Zbigniew Brzezinski’s book, “The Grand Chessboard,” which outlines the geostrategic imperatives of the Anglo-zyo American establishment. He further discussed President Xi Jinping’s idea of a human community with a shared destiny, which includes four initiatives: the Global Development Initiative, the Global Security Initiative, the Global Civilization Initiative, and the Global Artificial Intelligence Governance Initiative. Jeff played the Devil’s Advocate, questioning the idea of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries, a principle that has been ignored by Western powers for centuries.

China’s Influence on the Jewish state’s Diplomacy
Jeff and Quan discussed the potential impact of China cutting off diplomatic relations with the Jewish state and implementing a boycott, disinvestment, and sanctions (BDS) policy. Jeff argued that such a move could cripple the Jewish state and create a tipping point against the Jewish State and the United States. Quan proposed a more Machiavellian approach, suggesting that China could use its economic and military influence to support countries like Egypt, which is also a major player in the region. Quan also mentioned that China has commercial relations with the Jewish state and exchanges technology and weapons. The discussion ended with Quan suggesting that China could use its economic and military power to support countries like Egypt, which could potentially influence Jewish state’s actions.

China’s Diplomatic Influence in the Middle East
Quan and Jeff discussed the geopolitical landscape, focusing on the relationships between China, Russia, and the United States of Israel. Quan emphasized the importance of China’s diplomatic presence in the Gulf States and Egypt, and the need for a more just international relations system. Jeff expressed his desire for China to take a more active role in punishing the Jewish state and criticized the United States’ control over its allies. They agreed to continue their discussions in a month, with the aim of informing their audience about the evolving geopolitical situation.

Transcript

Quan Le: Our first goal is to be a public service, to make people aware of some very basic stuff that, I think, most Westerners are completely detached from reality concerning China.

Jeff J. Brown: Absolutely. Well, we could even say Ukraine, Palestine. There are a lot of hot spots. I would like to say, isn’t that incredible that the Russians publicly acknowledged that the North Koreans were fighting side by side in Kursk against the Ukrainians, and they had nothing? Did you hear about that?

Quan: Absolutely.

Jeff: Yeah. It’s amazing.

Quan: Well, you know that there have been many rumors that there were North Koreans fighting on the side of the Russians, and it has been debunked in inverted commas that it’s rather Russians of Asian descent, with Asian features that were there, and it was not North Koreans, and blah, blah. Wow! It means that RICK (Russia, Iran, China, and North Korea) is more and more an integrated unit.

Jeff: I think it’s also a very sly way to let everybody know, even the press secretary – what’s her name? The beautiful blonde, Martina. What’s her name? Anyway, I can’t think of her name – she even said that we are practically, you know, allied partners. And I think it’s a wonderful way to let the rest of the world know, is that if you mess with North Korea, you’re going to get Russia. I think that’s exactly what they were trying to let people know. Stay away from North Korea. And of course, nobody even wants to acknowledge the fact that China and North Korea have had a mutual defense treaty since 1961. I think North Korea is in safe hands.

Quan: Absolutely. And you know, of course, that Russia and North Korea have a treaty also signed last year, if I’m not mistaken.

Jeff: Absolutely true.

Quan: Yes, it’s true that I don’t mention North Korea often, but that’s an important piece in the East Asian front. Jeff, do you have some specific point you want to mention? I have some numbers that I would like to highlight for our audience.

Jeff: Well, I do have one topic I want to talk about. We can do that at the end, so go ahead.

Quan: Okay, so I would like to say that right now, we are supposedly in a so-called trade war between the US and China. I would like to take the five following minutes for people to concentrate and to remember the following numbers, right? China’s GDP in 2024 is 18,800 billion USD in nominal terms. In PPP, meaning Purchasing Power Parity, it means 41,000 billion USD. The whole of the Chinese exports to the whole world is 3,577 billion USD.

So, if you make the ratio of 3,577 billion on 18,800 billion USD, it gives 19% (0.19). It means that the Chinese economy is not an export-driven economy, because the exports to the whole world are only 19% of the Chinese GDP in 2024. So, 81% of the Chinese economy is based on internal development and the internal consumption of the Chinese consumers within China. And that internal development is made of artificial intelligence, of 5G, of autonomous chip development, of a lot of things.

Jeff: Robots.

Quan: Absolutely, industrial robotics, artificial intelligence, and also the notion of FAIR, meaning Fundamental Artificial Intelligence Research. You know that in Shanghai, you have what the French called in the past “bureaux d’études,” which is an integration of industrial development plus fundamental research. That being said, I want to come back to the US contribution to the Chinese economy. China exported to the US in 2024 for the equivalent of 439 billion USD.

So, if you take the 439 billion USD on the whole Chinese economy of 18,800 billion USD, it gives us 2.3% of the Chinese economy. So, President Xi Jinping retaliated with first 54%, 84%, and 125% in response to Trump’s tariffs, but those numbers have been done for political purposes, for political reasons, because China could have relinquished, very, very easily, the 2.3% of her economy represented by the 439 billion USD on the whole Chinese economy, meaning 18,800 billion USD in 2024.

Not many people are aware of those very simple, basic numbers that, with simple arithmetic, you can understand what is at stake here. And most people are very naive in thinking that China is afraid of the decoupling from the US. That’s not true. The Chinese rulers started the decoupling from the US economy in 2018. So, seven years ago, when the Trump administration started a kind of small trade war and the Chinese rulers decided, seven years ago, if not before, that the US rulers are not at all reliable partners and they started to diversify the economy, and they started to decouple the economy.

That’s why, in 2024, meaning last year, the contribution of the US to the Chinese economy was only 2.3%. And I want to finish by saying that the Chinese are leading in 57 out of 64 of the critical techno-scientific sectors, meaning 89% of the critical techno-scientific sectors. And also that they have autonomous fintech, right? Since March 17th this year, 2025, the Chinese launched the digital yuan for international trade, which is a system that allows China to be paid completely outside of the SWIFT system. Okay?

For those who don’t know the meaning of SWIFT, it’s Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication. It’s a system that has been operational since 1979. It was created in 1973 but started to be operational only in 1979, based in Belgium. Meaning that it has been a system of the West, let’s say, that it has been used to weaponize the Western domination of the international economy. So, I wanted to take those five minutes and thank you, Jeff, for having been patient enough to listen to my speech. Because most people are absolutely, in the West especially, absolutely ignorant of those basic numbers, of those basic data, for understanding what is happening right now.

Jeff: Yes, I actually appreciate that. I mean, I’ve seen these numbers kind of bandied about, but I’ve never had them. In fact, I wrote them down. So, it’s good for me to remember. I guess… what I find fascinating, by, and of course, Trump – this is not Trump. It’s the people above Trump who are making these decisions. It’s the City of London, it’s Wall Street, it’s the military. They’re the ones.

I read an article: the stock market’s down, the stock market’s down. And then the article came out and said that Goldman Sachs was making money hand over fist because they were shorting all the stocks. And of course, they’re controlling the strings, and so they’re making billions and billions of dollars off of this. And I wouldn’t be surprised if it were like the COVID pandemic, which saw a massive movement of wealth from the have-nots to the billionaires and the trillionaires.

And I wouldn’t be surprised if this gambit that’s being played is also bringing billions of dollars to the wealthiest of the wealthy. I think what I find so fascinating about it is, is that China is there. And they are so big, and they’re so huge, and they’re so well organized, and the government runs itself pretty well. I mean, compared to most other global governments, it’s run really, really well. Russia doesn’t have tariffs.

But what’s fascinating is, and I think that I’m going to play a little bit of the devil’s advocate here, is that all of this chaos and this indecision and never knowing what the hell is going to happen tomorrow or next week. And this kind of chaos does allow connected people, like the City of London and Wall Street, to profit. And I read when Trump came out with all these high tariffs, and he hit Vietnam, we were in Vietnam when it happened. I think we were in Vietnam on our recent trip there.

And, 49% because they’ve been doing a lot of transshipping, and a lot of Chinese industry has established itself in Vietnam. The next day, Vietnam lowered all of its tariffs on United States imports to zero. And there are, apparently, a lot of other smaller countries that did the same thing to appease the big bad wolf. So then Trump lowers it down to 10%, but he’s 10% ahead because of Vietnam, you know.

They’re going to get 10% tariffs on all Vietnam exports, and the United States has no tariffs on imports going into Vietnam. So there is, maybe not with China, as it’s so big. But for these smaller countries, the Moroccos, the Bolivias, the Chiles, the Malaysias, I think that it does help the United States in getting those countries, how do I want to say it? Tamed. And so now all Trump has to do is just threaten Vietnam. “We’re going to raise your tariffs tomorrow.”

Quan: Absolutely.

Jeff: You know, it’s all just extortion. But unfortunately, we know extortion, extortion works. It works, just ask the pizza restaurant owner in the Bronx, you know?

Quan: Well, Jeff, with all due respect, I want to interrupt you here because you know that Trump and his team, mostly real estate developers from Manhattan, right? And you know that in that milieu, extortion and bullying are a way of life, and those people think that they can bring that extortion and bullying culture onto the international stage.

Jeff: Everybody wants to say, “Oh, it’s a disaster for the United States. Oh, it’s a disaster for the United States.” The thing is, not 100%. I think there’s a method to their madness. And you and I, of course, pray that this is the beginning of the end of Bretton Woods and the dollar as a reserve currency. But again, the hand, Trump’s handlers, the City of London, Wall Street, and the military. I mean, when that happens, they’re going to be making a lot of money. Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars at our expense, and especially lower-income people, they’ll just be wiped out.

Quan: Well, you know that the White House is now becoming a harbor for traders because you know that the ups and downs of the stock exchange depend a lot on the tariff war. And the White House is a harbor for traders now.

Jeff: Yeah. Well, look at Nancy Pelosi and the US Senate and the US Congress. I mean, they’re all making millions of dollars on insider trading information, and every tariff decision that Trump makes, the people above him and around him know exactly when he is going to make those tariff changes so that they can do naked shorts and make just, there’s literally trillions of dollars over the years. So, we’ll have to just wait and see. Go ahead.

Quan: I would like to mention the fact that you rightly mentioned that, let’s call them, the high oligarchs of the West, right? The true rulers of the West. They would not bow out graciously. So I think that the global strategy of the three major sovereigns, as I call them in a grandiose manner, the three major sovereign civilizational states: China, Russia, Iran, or RICK (Russia, Iran, China). Let’s add K for North Korea: R-I-C-K.

I think that their global strategy would be precisely to be autonomous techno-scientifically, because you cannot do anything at all if you don’t have the tools of power at the level of technoscience. That’s number one. I think we are on a good path right now for RICK, R-I-C-K. Second, we need to have an autonomous industrial basis. And I think we are on a good path, too. We need to have an autonomous FinTech, meaning that it’s cool that we’re capable of making things, but we also would like to be paid for that stuff.

So we need to have a machine to be paid outside of the SWIFT system. And once again, SWIFT is for Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, which is the Western control system for being paid since 1979. So now that China’s launched her digital yuan system on March 17th this year, 2025, you know what percentage of this new system is already covered in international trade? Let’s have a guess. You would be surprised; it’s already very high.

Jeff: I’ll say 4%.

Quan: Oh, much, much more than that, my dear Jeff.

Jeff: Really?

Quan: Yes, it’s not the pie of the financial shenanigans; It’s the pie of international trade. It’s 40% of international trade.

Jeff: And is the digital yuan then an RMB, or can Brazil use, what is it, Cruzeiros, and buy from Venezuela that has pesos, or is the platform in RMB, Chinese RMB, or can it be in any currency?

Quan: No, it’s really the Chinese RMB or yuan. The 10 ASEAN countries – an intergovernmental association for the Southeast Asian nations. I would like to mention them one by one, okay? Because not everyone knows what ASEAN is. So, once again, ASEAN is the Association of Southeast Asian Nations. So it includes the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar (formerly Burma), Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Singapore, and Laos, right?

Those are the 10 countries of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, ASEAN. The yuan system, the digital yuan, a digital Renminbi-based system for China to be paid, includes the 10 countries of the ASEAN association that I just mentioned, plus the six countries from the Middle East. So very important for the exchange of oil between the countries of the Middle East and China. And even just with that small group, well, not that small, that group of 16 countries, it already covers 40% of international trade.

I know you know all those numbers, Jeff, so I don’t want to bother you, but it’s more for our audience because I want to inform them, because I realized that there is an abysmal ignorance about those basic things. So let’s not forget that the commercial exchange between China and the 10 countries of ASEAN (Association of the Southeast Asian Nations) once again reached almost a trillion dollars last year, right? A trillion dollars. It’s $1,000 billion.

Jeff: Yeah, I read that last year.

Quan: So it’s not a surprise that the digital yuan or digital Renminbi-based system that China launched just six weeks ago already covers 40% of international trade because it concerns the 10 countries of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) – and that’s the fourth time that I repeat the meaning of the acronym; I promise I won’t repeat it again in this exchange – and the six countries of the Middle East. And of course, it is expanding step by step.

Jeff: I wonder why Russia hasn’t gotten in on it. Of course, they’re doing cross, cross-border trading in RMB and rubles.

Quan: Because Russia has an even closer system with China. There is something called the “Chinese trick” within the Russian banks. So that Chinese trick – the Russians named it like that, okay, Chinese track – is a special, let’s say, exchange system between China and Russia only for the two of them.

Jeff: Is that the one that they call CRITS, the Chinese-Russian Interbank Transfer System, like SWIFT, but they called it CRITS for China and Russia?

Quan: Absolutely. But the Russians also called it the “Chinese trick,” T-R-I-C-K, like a track for traveling. And there is also the Chinese Cross-Border Interbank Payment System, the CIPS. So we have three major things in terms of fintech now. The famous Yuan Renminbi digital system, okay, launched six weeks ago; we have the CIPS, the Cross-Border International Payment System; and the Chinese trick, which is the special link in terms of fintech between Russia and China. So I don’t forget my big picture. So, Autonomy in terms of tech, autonomy in terms of industry, and autonomy in terms of fintech, but also autonomy in terms of military deployment and military technology. And I would like to mention that China just invented a hydrogen bomb, but it is not an atomic bomb.

Jeff: Yeah, which is not nuclear, I guess. I didn’t read the article. But it exploded for, like, 15 minutes or something. It ignited for, like, 15 minutes. That’s pretty amazing.

Quan: Yes. And I would also like to mention that the three major sovereign civilizational states all possess hypersonic missiles.

Jeff: As does North Korea.

Quan: Yes, and it’s not the case in the US, surprisingly.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah. You know, that’s, that’s a shocker.

Quan: And so, why do I expand so long on that? It’s because I want to send a very clear message to our audience that the high oligarchs of the West would not bow out graciously. But the adult, the mature way of the three sovereign civilizational states to deal with the tantrum of the high oligarchs not willing to relinquish their global power is precisely to build the Eurasian citadel, with the tools of power that I just summarized by mentioning: the science, the tech, the military complex, the fintech, the industry, the diplomacy, and so on. And I would also like to mention a small anecdote in line with SWIFT, the famous or infamous Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication. You know that when Pope Benedict XVI resigned on February 28, 2013, it had to do with SWIFT. Probably, Jeff, you know that already.

Jeff: No, I didn’t know that. It’s based in Basel, Switzerland, right?

Quan: SWIFT is based in Belgium. SWIFT is based in Belgium.

Jeff: It’s based in Belgium. Okay.

Quan: Yes, but it’s controlled by the US, of course. What happened on February 28, 2013, when Benedict XVI resigned, is that Benedict XVI, for those who don’t know, was a pope – I say was because he died in 2022, I think – was a pope who was not in favor of globalism. And… they wanted to replace him with someone in favor of globalism. So they simply cut the SWIFT servers to the Vatican. And His Holiness has been informed that the unfortunate malfunction of SWIFT would be repaired quite fast if His Holiness would be gracious enough to offer his letter of resignation.

Jeff: Wow. Well, there’s your City of London again. It’s always there. I saw something about the new Chinese digital currency, and somebody did a transfer. And it was the equivalent of 100,000 US dollars. And the total cost was like four and a half dollars. So the transfer costs are virtually nothing.

Quan: Absolutely, because the Chinese system is to promote international trade and to promote peace and stability. I know that I already mentioned that notion, but once again, I would like to inform our audience, the overarching axis of the strategy of the high oligarchs of the West has a name; it’s called Rumsfeld-Cebrowski (C-E-B-R-O-W-S-K-I). Rumsfeld, of course, was the former Secretary of Defense, as you know. Cebrowski was Arthur Cebrowski, who was an admiral of the US Navy.

The idea is to provoke as much chaos and disorder across the world as possible in order to prevent the three major sovereign civilizational states, and I want to add North Korea (RICK), to establish peace, harmony, and let’s say, justice on earth. I know that I sound a little bit grandiose, but I guarantee you that Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea are far from being perfect. But I think they are much better than the present international system.

Jeff: Absolutely. Yeah, you have to include North Korea now after what happened in Kursk, Russia, with the North Koreans getting complimented by Putin and his general staff for being courageous, brave, obeying all the orders, and they even said they had no fear of losing their lives for the cause. So, North Korea is now the new darling of Asia after that one. That’s pretty amazing. I just wanted to ask you, is the digital currency blockchain? It must be blockchain.

Quan: Yes, it’s blockchain, of course. It’s blockchain. Absolutely. It’s blockchain. It uses the technology of blockchain.

Jeff: So it can’t be corrupted or traced or followed or…

Quan: I would say that, to be frank with you, Jeff, any human technology can be hijacked one day. But what makes me feel safe is that the Chinese government will do everything possible to keep it safe.

Jeff: Yeah, and secret.

Quan: Yes. And especially what the Russians call the “Chinese trick” is precisely based on it. The Western system cannot see what is happening between China and Russia.

Jeff: Yeah, information is power, and information is profits. So if that’s been taken away, from the West, that is a huge, huge deal because I think SWIFT is; the numbers are publicly available. It’s supposed to be an open-book system. But if these are highly confidential, that’s got to be driving the bad guys in London and New York out of their minds.

Quan: Well, Jeff, absolutely. I just want to remind everyone of the unfortunate mishap that happened to His Holiness Benedict XVI. If they dare to do it to the guy who is supposedly, supposedly, the spiritual leader of the West, what do you think that they would be capable of doing?

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What else would you like to talk about, kind sir?

Quan: Well, I would like to talk about Russia, of course, because the way I proceed in my mind is very simple: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, okay? Because around those four centers, a lot of things are happening in interaction with the bully called the US. Do you want to say something about Russia first, before I start my speech?

Jeff: Well, actually, I call Russia, Iran, DPRK, and China, I call them the Asian Quad.

Quan: Yeah, that’s a nice name, too.

Jeff: Yeah, the Asian Quad. And you have your lovely RICK, and you also have your lovely long acronym that you have, which I’ll… Yeah.

Quan: The KFC-AZAEL. Well, that’s my, how can I say it, that’s my loving nickname for the high oligarchs of the West.

Jeff: That’s right. I like how that’s a good one. “High oligarchs” is good. I like that. I have not used that before. I’ve used elites, and I’ve used oligarchs, but I have not used high oligarchs, and I think that sums it up pretty well.

Quan: Yes, because I take the occasion to say to everyone that KFC-AZAEL, means Kakistocracy Feudal Conglomerate of the Anglo-Zio-American Establishment. Because people often, how can I say it, would direct their anger or their indignation, their righteous indignation, to people like Trump, for example. Well, don’t be fooled. Trump is just a small fish. He’s not one of the high oligarchs of the West. You don’t know the faces of those people.

Jeff: He’s taking orders. By the way, for the people out there who, I had to look it up a few years ago when I came across it. But Kakistocrat is Greek, and it’s, or Kakistocracy, that’s right. It’s the rule, it’s the government with the worst people possible. So, a Kakistocrat is the worst person possible to be running your government. And that’s exactly what’s happened in the West.

Quan: Yes. Yes. Well, a government that is systematically dumbing down its own people? What is more kakistocratic than that, frankly?

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, the days of Charles de Gaulle and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and John F. Kennedy and Nixon. And Nixon was a mixed bag, but he was the last president the United States had who governed as best as he could independently, and not be under the thumbscrews of the high oligarchs. And of course, he had to resign as a result; he was run out of office. And we’re back to what you were talking about. Please go ahead.

Quan: But I would like to take 30 seconds about Nixon, because I would like to mention to our audience once again that there is a thing called the Nixon Foundation. And that Nixon Foundation has precisely kept all the Nixon speeches. And there are absolutely awesome speeches by Nixon on how to deal with China. And how to deal with it.

Jeff: What is one of your recent posts on Seek Truth from Facts was one of those videos.

Quan: Yes, absolutely. Okay. And it’s only two minutes long. Okay. And what Nixon said in those two minutes can bring peace to the earth. The Chinese leaders are not ideologically oriented. The Chinese leaders are oriented by the protection, the safety, the prosperity, and the development of China and of the Chinese people. So in short, it means that the Chinese leaders are people with whom you can negotiate, you can deal with, if you are capable of having a reasonable speech, taking into account the interests of both sides, okay? So that’s why I want to take two minutes to talk about Nixon’s speech precisely.

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, he was actually quite a statesman. And he, of course, was vilified. And literally, he was framed, run out. I mean, he had some rough spots. But he was quite the statesman. He was visionary, you know, going to China. But he asked too many questions about Kennedy’s assassination. He kept bringing it up. “I want to see all the CIA’s files on Jack.” He used to call JFK Jack. And because he knew he was killed by his own government. But he kept asking the question, he kept asking, you know. “Send me the files, send me the files.” And of course, now they’re supposedly released. Of course, we have no idea how many thousands of pages were burned before they were finally released.

And of course, the other thing was he wanted to get out of Vietnam, and that upset the banks because they loaned the money to fund the wars, to buy the military equipment, and of course, the Joint Chiefs of Staff hated his guts because he wanted to get out of Vietnam. So, he had to go. But as he said in a private conversation, somewhere on my website. Where he said in a conversation, someone asked him, he said, asking President Nixon, “Why are you resigning?” And he said, “Because I don’t want to go out like Jack.”

Quan: Yes, he died in 1994, meaning he died 20 years, or more or less 20 years, after he quit his public office. So I suppose that he was a wise man. He wanted 20 years, at least, to enjoy the last days of his life.

Jeff: Without having his brains blown out on Dealey Plaza II.

Quan: Well, I suppose that since we only have one unique life, it was a wise decision.

Jeff: Yeah, very much. But my admiration for him has really gone up. I mean, I protested against him in 1976. At my graduation at Oklahoma State University, he came to give the graduation speech at Oklahoma State, and after he resigned. And I was protesting and I was being a stupid cardboard liberal. And so I used to have a horrible impression, but the more I’ve learned about him, he was impressive. Of course, he took the dollar off the gold standard. And he did it.

Quan: Well, it was time. It was time, at the time. Because, of course, nowadays we tend to see it as a trick, but it was a brilliant trick because, okay, here also is for our audience, right? Because, as you know, Jeff, he announced not the decoupling, but the non-convertibility, okay, that’s the technical expression, okay, the non-convertibility of the dollar to gold. The metallic gold on Sunday, August 15th, I think, 1971.

I might be wrong on the exact day in August, but it was in August 1971. August 15, 1971. And he announced that non-convertibility between the USD and gold; it was no longer possible to guarantee the value of the USD based on the stock of gold owned by the US, right? Because of the Vietnam War, and because France took back some of her gold, and blah, blah, blah, okay? But the American economy was still dynamic at the time, okay?

So a combination of the dynamism of the American economy in 1971, and the deal made with King Faisal of Saudi Arabia through the maneuvers of Henry Kissinger, created the petrodollar in 1973, okay, meaning that the Saudis promised to the US to ask exclusively for USD for their oil, so making everyone on this planet forced to buy USD. Right? Because everyone needs oil for energy. So for the economy. So that’s why Nixon managed. I want Americans to know that.

Nixon managed to give another two generations of Americans the possibility to live the American dream, okay? Because had he not done that, Americans would not have been capable of living on credit as they have done in the last two generations from 1973, or let’s say 1970, to take a round number, right? And in history, a generation is about 25 to 30 years, or so. 1970 to now, it’s about two generations. So was it a gift, or was it a poison gift? Well, Nixon gave you a gift. But you were not capable of controlling the use of the credit card.

If you were capable of using a credit card in a wise manner, it could have prolonged that American dream using the petrodollars, but because the last rulers decided to weaponize the petrodollars, and the dollar, and the SWIFT system, and everything that is imaginable in international relations, that’s why the three major sovereigns, plus North Korea, let’s say the four major sovereigns.

They are forced to build that citadel of Eurasian integration to escape that situation of continuous blackmail and of continuous extortion. I would say that I want people to understand and remember my long speeches today. And thanks, Jeff, for being patient enough to listen to my long speeches. It’s that part that I just said in the last three minutes, people of the world, want to escape the continuous situation of extortion.

Jeff: Yeah. That’s absolutely true. What do you want to say about what’s going on in Palestine? It’s very depressing for me.

Quan: I know it’s an important subject for you, so I’ll let you go first.

Jeff: Well, I just, I see… I think October 7th was the Al-Aqsa Flood; I think that was essentially a planned event between the Jewish state and Hamas. Hamas was created by the Jewish state. And I think there are some elements in Hamas who are really patriotic and nationalistic and are working to try to save, save Gaza, but… I read a report that Hamas was even sent to Syria to help kill the Alawi Christians. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but they’re clearly there; there are at least two elements.

There are maybe the good guys who are, you know, on the battlefront taking it, taking it to the Jewish state army, but then there’s another group who are completely beholden to the Jewish state. And I just, I predict, you know, they are literally turning Gaza into a parking lot. They are literally bulldozing every farm, every house, every building, and I predict that by the end of Trump’s second term, they will have seized and basically killed off and expelled all the Palestinians in Gaza, or as much of it as possible.

And then they’re going to get the Golan Heights and Syria, and they’re going to get the West Bank, and they’re going to get East and West Jerusalem. And they’re going to get Syria. I mean, they’re already in Syria; this Jolani guy, the supposed terrorist. I’ve done research, and he got his law degree at the Tel Aviv School of Law; he’s Jewish. And he was a sleeper. He was a sleeper agent who went in and infiltrated, took an Arab, a Muslim identity, and infiltrated himself into the Arab community in the region, so he is a tool of the Jewish state.

So they’re going to get Syria. And people keep saying, “Well, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter,” but you know, if they have all of those resources, it does matter. And, especially Syria with all, and then the oil and the gas off the coast of Gaza. I’m deeply concerned, and I’m deeply concerned. And they’re winning. They’re winning. No one even talks about Palestine anymore. You don’t even see it on the news.

And it’s forgotten while they’re literally bulldozing it to the ground. And just the tragedy of basically turning the most grotesque genocide since World War II into a TV show. Basically, they turned it into a serial TV show, and it normalized genocide. So yeah, I’m deeply concerned. I think it’s establishing a very, very, very bad precedent. And they’re not going to stop once they get Syria. They’re going to keep going. They’re going to go to Iraq. And they’re going to try to go to the Nile River in Egypt. They’re going to get Lebanon.

You know, I’ve read that Hezbollah is having a tough time because they lost their land bridge from Iran to southern Lebanon, with Syria now being captured by the Jewish state. So I find it extremely troubling. But there’s, what can you do? There’s nothing, nothing anybody can do. They’re going to get away with it. And it’s just, I find it sad for humanity, and I find it, it makes the United Nations pathetic, of course, because it’s controlled by the United States.

And useless as long as the United States and France, and Britain each have a veto; nothing’s going to happen there. So I don’t know what your thoughts are. In our last roundtable, everybody just kind of said, “Well, what will be, what will be,” but I think historically, looking back at what’s happening, it is going to be much more important to future human events because they are able to get away with what they’re getting away with. That’s my speech.

Quan: Well, I have a little bit the same analysis as you, but I would like to add something. The way I see it is from the perspective of justice. And justice is something that is very complicated if we are in the practicality of that. What is happening in Palestine right now is, of course, an absolute denial of justice, okay? It shows the development of mankind in general. That’s the sad judgment on us collectively, of course. On the practical level, I would say that I am also happy because it shows the valor and the wisdom of Hamas.

Even if I’m perfectly aware that Hamas is a creature at the beginning of the alphabet soup agencies, okay? I want to say it because I’m not unaware of that. But as you know, there are, as you know, very strong suspicions that I am not forgetting Hamas. I want to talk about Khomeini before coming back to Hamas. That Khomeini was probably also a creature of the alphabet soup agencies.

But it doesn’t mean that the present-day Iran and Khamenei – so for the people who are not users, Khomeini is not Khamenei, even if the two names sound almost the same. So I would say, I would use his first name too, so that there would be no mix. Ali Khamenei, the present supreme leader of Iran, is perfectly a sovereign, okay? Even if there are strong suspicions that Khomeini, the guy who started the Iranian revolution.

Jeff: Ayatollah Khomeini

Quan: Absolutely, Ayatollah Khomeini, who started the Iranian Revolution in 1979, was most probably an asset of the alphabet soup agencies. That being said, I’m coming back to Hamas. Hamas is the same, okay? At the beginning, Hamas was a creature of the alphabet soup agencies, okay? And that is the modus operandi of the British Empire and of the American Empire, if you prefer, of the KFC-AZAEL, in West Asia for the last 200 years, using moles and infiltrating and controlling the local elite, the conservative bourgeoisie.

But the present-day Hamas is a sovereign entity, and why did the attack occur on October 7, 2023? It was because it was their last hope of maintaining a name for Palestine, because with the Abraham Accords, Palestine would have been put in the dustbin of history, had Hamas not intervened on October 7, 2023. And they were perfectly aware of the abysmal prize that would have been paid. That being said, I’m not completely dejected concerning the future, the fate of Palestine, because I think that there are 2 million people in the Gaza Strip right now, plus 600,000 people in the West Bank.

It’s not the end yet because I am coming back to my main concept or my main idea: Justice. Who are the people who would be capable to gain sovereignty and power for the Palestinians? It’s the Palestinians themselves. I know the struggle seems to be very unequal. But for me, it’s not finished. And for me, that struggle is in parallel with the Eurasian Integration Citadel. Because if one day we can dismantle, okay, that’s the last settler colonial state of the world, meaning Israel, that’s because the three major sovereign civilizational states would be capable to establish peace and harmony, and justice on earth.

There is no other way because I know that sometimes I frame things in a very black and white manner. But if you study history, it is precisely what is happening right now. The KFC-AZAEL has an ultimate goal: global hegemony. And the only people on earth who are capable, not only willing to, but also capable, okay, I’m sorry to be very down to earth in life. It’s not enough to wish or to desire, you need to have the tools of power to achieve your wishes and your desires. So the only states capable of willing and capable of putting limits and eventually of dismantling the KFC-AZAEL, the Kakistocratic Feudal Conglomerate of the Anglo-Zio-American Establishment, are RICK: Russia, Iran, China, North Korea.

Because once again, I’m not here to make some low-rate propaganda. I’m perfectly aware that Russia is not perfect. Iran is not perfect. China is not perfect. North Korea is not perfect. But they are animated with a desire for justice and for equal partnerships in the world. At least it is in their speeches. And of course, no one is in the brain or in the minds of Xi Jinping, of Vladimir Putin, of Kim Jong-un, or of Ali Khamenei.

But at least in their speeches and in their behavior towards the weaker countries in Latin America and Africa, they are in harmony with their speeches. And if you read the speeches from the KFC-AZAEL, from the RAND Corporation, from Chatham House, from the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the CSIS, those people are not shy to say that they want global domination. And if you observe their behavior and the maneuvers and operations in the last 75 years, those maneuvers, operations, and behaviors are in harmony with their speeches of global domination.

And once again, Jeff, I’m sorry to bother you with something that you already know, but it’s for our audience. Please read the book written by, published in 1997: The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives. In this book, almost 30 years old, almost 30 years old, it’s written in black and white, the intention of the Kakistocratic Feudal Conglomerate of the Anglo-Zio-American Establishment. I’m not here making people lose their time with unhinged conspiracy theories.

What I’m saying, it can be proven with official books written by officials coming from the Kakistocratic Feudal Conglomerate of the Anglo-Zio-American Establishment. And when President Xi Jinping was speaking of the human community with a shared destiny, that is the big idea for peace, harmony, and justice. Human community with a shared destiny. That big idea is further developed with four projects, okay? The first is the Global Development Initiative. The second is the Global Security Initiative.

The third is the Global Civilization Initiative, okay, meaning that there are many civilizations on earth, and each of those civilizations has a right to exist and to prosper. That is true diversity. And finally, a more technical project, which is the Global Artificial Intelligence Governance Initiative. But I understand that Xi Jinping decided to include that more technical project with the three more grandiose or more encompassing projects, because artificial intelligence will play a role in the life of the human community in the near future and in the future.

Jeff: I want to play the devil’s advocate here, getting back to Palestine. I realized that China is very married to the idea of the Bandung Conference in 1955, that no country should interfere with the internal affairs of any other country. And it’s also in the UN Charter. And which, of course, has been totally ignored by the Western Empire for 500 years. But I was swimming the other day, and I was thinking about living in Beijing when we were living in Beijing back in the 1990s, from 1990 to 1997, and I remembered, “Oh yeah, the Jewish state embassy.”

I remember we used to drive by that all the time. It’s right near the Kempinski center off the third ring road. I mean, I can just visualize it. And then another thing that got me thinking about this is, we were boycotting them now, but there’s an orange juice that’s for sale here in Taiwan, by, they have milk and grape juice, quite a few other products, but it’s a Taiwanese company. And I was looking at the label, and it said the oranges were from Brazil and from the Jewish state.

And I thought, “That’s bad news. I’m going to contact them and make a complaint.” But I was sitting there thinking what the impact of China and its moral weight that it carries, and the ethical weight that it carries in a multipolar world, if China cuts off diplomatic relations with the Jewish state. Closed down the embassy and maybe not kick all the Jewish state citizens out of China, but at least do BDS: boycott, disinvestment, and sanctions. It would cause, I think it would absolutely cripple, it would cripple what I call the Trumpet Musco, just the Trump and Netanyahu and Musk, and you know, that.

And I think it would actually be a catalyst, like happened with South Africa back in the ’70s and ’80s, when countries started boycotting South Africa, which did bring South Africa to its knees. I mean, it was so effective, and I used to have two passports when I was traveling. I used to have a passport for everywhere in the world when I was traveling on my American passport, and I had a special passport issued by the government of the United States of America for the Jewish state and South Africa.

So all of my visas, my visas for the Jewish state and South Africa, were only in that passport, so that the other countries in Africa and the Middle East did not see that I was traveling there. But can you imagine, I think it would cause a wave of, almost like it would be the start of the South African Boycott in the ’80s. And I think it could create a tipping point against the Jewish state and against the United States for what’s happening in Palestine.

And my big question is, is that why doesn’t China do it? At some point, you have to say, “Well, there’s the Bandung non-interference,” but at some point, you have to say, “There’s a moral imperative here. You know, this is awful, what’s happening. This is grotesque, this is criminal.” And so I’m just, why do you think China doesn’t do it? Just cut off diplomatic relations and BDS the Jewish state.

Quan: I would like to offer my hypothesis in reply to your excellent analysis. Because ultimately, once again, it’s a question of justice, right? And if China is pretending to be the great sovereign civilizational state that it is, it is precisely a situation where it should show leadership, precisely. I absolutely agree with that metaphysical background; that’s for sure. Here, I would like to offer a more Machiavellian approach to that metaphysical background because we don’t disagree on the metaphysical background, and a true global leader should precisely intervene in that kind of stuff.

First, in terms of speeches, the Chinese condemned in clear words the attack, and the lawyer that has been sent to the International Court of Justice, the Chinese lawyer that has been assigned to the International Court of Justice last year, said in no uncertain words that the Palestinians have the right to use weapons for armed resistance against the illegitimate aggressors, okay? So it is clear, China said in an international arena, the International Court of Justice, that Israel is an illegitimate occupier.

So that’s for the level of speech. For the level of intervention, I agree with you that China could do more in terms of BDS, meaning boycott, divestment, and sanctions. And I want to say to our audience, in case they don’t know, that, sadly, China still has commercial relations with Israel. And for the naive ones, the Chinese have exchanges of technology and weapons with the Israelis. So I want to put real things on the table.

That being said, I think that the Chinese way is more Machiavellian, but Machiavellian in the good meaning of the word, because in the West, when we say that someone is Machiavellian, it often means someone that is a trickster, that is devious. But the true Niccolò Machiavelli advised wisdom for a good metaphysical background, meaning for justice, but using wisdom and valor, okay? I think that the Chinese way is using wisdom and valor, and how I explain it is in the following way. Are you aware of the fact, Jeff, that Egypt is buying Chinese weapons right now?

Jeff: I knew that.

Quan: And Egypt now has an anti-aircraft missile system that is very efficient, built by the Chinese, and I would make them equivalent to the Russian S-400, which is a very powerful and efficient system, as you know, right? So what the Chinese want is to give, first, the economic backup, because you know that China invests a lot in Egypt. Also the moral backup, and also the weapons backup in order for the Egyptians themselves to do what is needed for them, because Jeff, you know perfectly that if you don’t stand up for yourself against a bully, and you rely on another great power to do it for you, you would simply change masters. You would not grow a backbone. And you know perfectly, you don’t need me to tell you, that the Egyptian government is a kind of vassal state to the United States of Israel. Right?

Jeff: Absolutely. Well, all the Gulf states are.

Quan: What I call the USI: the United States of Israel. What China is doing step by step is to be present diplomatically in the Gulf states and in Egypt; it’s in the Maghreb, but it’s a unit, okay? So China wants to be there present diplomatically, in my understanding. I don’t think that cutting diplomatic relations with those people would be a solution. Because I think it is exactly what the USI, the United States of Israel, wants precisely. They want Russia and China to get out of their playground.

So they would be the only great power to play and to do what they want in that place. I think it’s skillful for Russia and China to stay there, to see what is possible, and to step by step provide tools of power, for example, the new weaponry that China just sold to the Egyptians. So they are no longer under the control of the KFC-AZAEL, because you know that, for example, to take the example of the F-35, you know that the US can cut off the operation of any F-35 that they sold to certain allies (e.g., South Korea, Japan, Italy); you know it probably. That from a remote control, they can deactivate a plane that you bought with your own money. Is it not extraordinary?

Jeff: That’s unbelievable.

Quan: Okay, well, it’s not the Chinese way of doing things. It’s not the Russian way of doing things. When the Chinese sell an airplane to someone, that airplane is completely controlled by the buyer.

Jeff: You know that after Japan, of course, Japan was an occupied country for a number of years by the United States after 1945. I read in a book that the CIA installed kill switches in the Japanese grid. And if a Japanese prime minister gets feisty and starts to want to be more independent and go against U.S. policy, the CIA just picks up the phone and says, “Hey, you want your electricity cut off in Tokyo?”

Quan: Yeah, exactly.

Jeff: So it’s the same thing as the F-35. They learned a long time ago.

Quan: Yes. Wow. I’m happy you mentioned that, okay? We all understand in this world that there is no absolute equality. There will always be bigger people, average people, and smaller people. Same for the nations. But I think that there’s no need to be in interaction with people through a bullying culture or through an extortion culture. And China is a big country. It can be pushed around. But China is not defined by a bullying or extortion culture. That is the difference precisely.

Jeff: Yeah, absolutely.

Quan: And I think that Russia, too. I think that Iran, too. And that is why I repeat to the risk of making people react negatively right now, is truly the reality of the fight between either a better landscape for international relations with more justice, or keeping on the system of bullying and of extortion. It’s as simple as that, okay? And I repeat the five axes on which the sovereigns have to work. They already worked on those, and they keep on working on those:

Science and technology, FinTech (financial technology), industry, and artificial intelligence, diplomacy, and it would be more than five: trade, economy, epistemological development (meaning the development of the minds of their own people), classical education (meaning the journey to justice, valor and wisdom, and moderation), and technical training. And that is what is happening right now. And I started my speech with the numbers concerning China’s GDP, and I stopped my speech now with more of the epistemological development, because that is the undertone of everything that is happening right now in Eurasia.

Jeff: Well, I wish China would step up. I mean, I can see your point about diplomatic relations. But they could do some BDS with the Jewish state to show that they care about what’s going on there, above and beyond giving nice speeches at the UN. And anyway, they’re the only country that could do it. They’re the only country that could do it. And Russia couldn’t do it. There’s just no way. There are 170,000 Russians who have Jewish state passports. And there are a million Jews in Russia, which is 3% of the population. So Russia can’t do it.

And Iran’s already fighting the Jewish state. And DPRK, I’m sure they’ve said a bunch of things, I’m sure they’ve talked trash about the Jewish state in their media and at the United Nations. But the only country that could really, really do something like that that would have an impact on the rest of the world would be China. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. Well, listen, my friend, we’ve gone for an hour and a half, and I think we’ve done pretty well, the two of us.

Quan: No, absolutely. I think that we achieved our endeavor for informing our audience. And let’s do it again in a month because I’m sure that there will be a lot of stuff that will happen in the next four weeks.

Jeff: Oh, absolutely. Well, this is Jeff J. Brown, China Rising, Seek Truth from Facts Foundation, founder of the China Writers Group, of which Dr. Quan Lee is a card-carrying member, and very proud. And he is our resident philosopher, although we could also throw in Peter Mann. And they both happen to be Chinese. What a coincidence. And so, anyway, Dr. Quan Lee in Montreal, thank you for joining me tonight. And I’ll check back at the end of May. How’s that sound? All right?

Quan: Ciao,

Jeff: Ciao.

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