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Sixteen years on the streets, living and working with the people of China, Jeff
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Bruce Lerro: So, Jeff, I want to ask you some questions. First thing, I want to ask you, where are you living now?
Jeff J Brown: Taiwan province.
Bruce: And now, how long have you been there?
Jeff: Six months.
Bruce: Six months.
Jeff: October 22nd. Oh, it’s our anniversary! October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May. Oh, no, 7 months!
Bruce: Yeah.
Jeff: October 22nd, yeah. We’re really loving it. It’s the bureaucracy, the bureaucracy is ferocious, but we’re getting settled in, and we’re in a nice house and a nice neighborhood. We’re about 5 kilometers outside of a town of 85,000 people. And it’s called PULI, P-U-L-I. And Puli’s at 450 meters above sea level, and we’re another 80 meters above that, because we’re right under the foothills. In fact, we’re just 200 meters from the foothills and forests. And our water is rain runoff from the mountain. So it’s very, very nice. We like it. And yes, China. I mean, it was 95% Han Chinese when Chiang Kai-Shek arrived here and invaded in 1949, and it had been an administrative prefecture like a county of China since 1634, or something like that, and of course, it had been a part of Chinese trade and culture, and just going back thousands of years.
Bruce: Right, right.
Jeff: So I just take a deep breath when people say, yeah, but Taiwan’s different.
Bruce: Yeah.
Jeff: It should be a free country.
Bruce: Oh, no, ah, Jesus. Yeah.
Jeff: So, anyway, it’s nice, it’s beautiful. We’ve got 4,000-meter mountains at 2 hours from us. Seriously.
Bruce: Now, Jeff, is your partner still working or is she retired?
Jeff: Well, we both keep working because we need the money, and so we both keep working teaching online. And so that’s what we do to make extra money. Evelyn can also make doll clothes. She can repair antique dolls and sell all the clothes online. She’s also a really, really good French chef. She’s an incredible cook, and so she’s doing Sino-French fusion cooking.
Bruce: Nice! Nice, nice.
Jeff: And she can do that online. And I just teach Chinese kids in China.
Bruce: Yeah. Yeah, I’m in a really similar position. I mean, I keep teaching, and I could use the money. I don’t have to do it, but I could use the extra.
Jeff: Well, we need the money. We’re at that point where you just put us over the top, so we definitely need it.
Bruce: Right, right. So, one of the things I wanted to ask you, Jeff, is Patrice and I, the four of us, Patrice and Barbara, and my Barbara and I, talked maybe about every 6 weeks or 8 weeks. And Patrice is more down on the American public than I am, and he says that people like us are about 5% of the population. And, one of the things I’ve thought about, and this is one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you, is what can people in the United States, say people that are clearly sympathetic to BRICS and the New World. What can we do economically to have a relationship with China? I mean, I’m talking about things like investing in stocks and bonds and things like that. I mean, what’s possible?
Barbara: Before you answer, I just want to say, I’ve been calling you Jack. Your name is Jeff?
Jeff: I didn’t even notice.
Barbara: The medication they’ve been giving me.
Jeff: I don’t think you did. I didn’t hear it, so I didn’t even note it.
Barbara: I didn’t either.
Bruce: You’re okay.
Barbara: My brain is like this.
Jeff: You can call me Betsy, it’s all right.
Barbara: Good to see you, Betsy.
Jeff: Well, that’s to own Chinese stocks, you would probably have to go through a, you know, I guess maybe a Hong Kong broker.
Bruce: Hmm.
Jeff: One of them. I mean, because you can’t just go and buy stock. There are A shares and B shares, and the A shares are… I can’t remember if I switched them around, but one of them they’re RMB-based, and the other ones are foreign currency-based. And the ones you want to invest in are the preference is Chinese yuan.
Bruce: Right.
Jeff: I mean, I’ll ask. You know, I can invest in Chinese stock because I have a bank account there.
Bruce: Right.
Jeff: And I started to get in think about it, but it’s like, God, what do I invest in?
Bruce: No.
Jeff: But it’s much more tightly controlled than it is in the West, where you can sign up with StockBuddy, or whatever, and start. You know, there’s also, I think, probably the most useful thing you could do is to open up an account on Red Book. You’ve heard of Redbook. No, they call it Redbook or Red Tree? Now, what do they call it? In Chinese, it’s this new website and TikTok. Well, yeah, TikTok. And what’s it called? It’s called Little Red Note. That’s what it’s called in English.
Bruce: Okay. Yeah.
Jeff: Red Note, and you would get it on your smartphone. And it’s quite ironic, because it’s actually in Chinese, it’s Xiao Hong Shu. Which means the Little Red Book, which is to pay homage to Mao Zedong. Have you heard about it? Have you heard about it?
Bruce: No.
Jeff: Okay, well, let me find the. I’ll show you the icon. It’s this little red right there.
Bruce: I see. Right in the middle.
Jeff: With the pink dot on it. So that’s what you want to look for.
Bruce: And that’s called Red Note.
Jeff: Yeah, Red Note in English.
Bruce: Okay.
Jeff: All around the world. And just start doing videos on there. People are getting tens of thousands of followers in the West, you know? It’s unbelievable. And the Chinese are helping with translation, because it’s become an incredible social phenomenon. So that’s what I would do. I think that it doesn’t cost you a thing. You know, try to invest would be… You know, and get a TikTok account. They haven’t banned it yet. TikTok they haven’t banned it yet, and you make one video for two platforms.
Bruce: Yes.
Jeff: And kind of do what you’re doing on Twitter. But it has to be a video, there has to be at least a few seconds of video.
Bruce: Yes.
Jeff: So what you could do is just, like, whatever you’re doing on Twitter, which I’m not looking at much anymore, I just don’t have time.
Bruce: Yes.
Jeff: But just read whatever you have on Twitter. And then use the visual that you have on Twitter as a mask, and just read it out in English. And post it on TikTok and Red Note.
Bruce: Right. Well, we’ve got a good person who has helped us with our website, and he’s really a great guy, and I think he can also push us through doing this stuff to really get this off the ground. But let me ask you this. I mean, Jack, I mean, Jeff, now I’m calling you Jack. Jeff.
Jeff: Reminds me of John F. Kennedy.
Bruce: Yeah, okay. It is, like, I’m thinking, like, really simple, back to the investment stuff. I mean, I would love to invest in the Belt and Road Initiative. And that’s not any kind of stock that you could get, or anything like that.
Jeff: Well, you’d have to invest in the companies that are developing BRI.
Bruce: Right, and I wouldn’t know which one.
Jeff: You really need to find. I would just get on the internet and search Hong Kong stockbroker or even a Chinese one, and try to go directly to just Chinese stockbroker.
Bruce: Okay.
Jeff: Because they’re gonna know what stocks to buy.
Bruce: Right. And if I told them I wanted to invest in the state, what would it be called?
Jeff: State-owned enterprises (SOEs).
Bruce: Yep.
Jeff: S-O-Es, State Owned Enterprises, yeah, they allow up to 20% of their assets to be privately held. And so, yeah, you could invest in those, and though there are construction companies.
Bruce: Yes.
Jeff: There’s railroad companies, there are telecommunication companies and they’re all on their… well, not all of them, but all the telecommunication companies are SOEs, and many of the big construction companies are SOEs.
Bruce: Yes.
Jeff: So, railroads are all SOEs.
Bruce: Right, right, right, right.
Jeff: All the railroad, the actual trains, and the tracks are being installed. So that’s what I would do. I hadn’t thought about doing that, it’s a good idea, actually.
Bruce: I mean, I’m teaching this class, and the class is called Why Societies Collapse, right? And it’s such perfect timing, because the people in our class, they’re mostly older people, they’re maybe there are 14 or 15. They know things are falling apart. But I try to tell them, things are falling apart in the West. The rest of the world, with BRICS and everything else, they’re moving on. I mean, they’re doing great. So, I’m wanting to be able to tell them that you can get plugged in in some way, if you want to, and this is one of the reasons I was asking.
Jeff: Yeah.
Bruce: And I also feel, Jeff, like it’s hard to believe, like I just watch what goes on in China, what goes on in Russia, and these heads of state are like in another galaxy. It’s unbelievable, and I can’t believe that they don’t know that there are people in the West like us.
Jeff: Who should support them?
Bruce: And then, like, so, I’m just wondering if they would do something to actually reach out to people in the United States that want to sort of be part of this, you know? I mean, we’re not going to be, the Belt and Road Initiative is not going to come here, but I just… I can’t imagine.
Jeff: Well, that’s America’s choice.
Bruce: Right, I know. but I just wonder if they’ve thought about trying to make a connection with radicals in the United States. Not Putin so much, but I think Putin has got pretty, like, conservative values.
Jeff: Oh yeah, it’s a very conservative value.
Bruce: Yeah, and I respect that, and I just feel like it’s… I saw recently that I think they had something on Facebook where they were actually people from the Russian Foreign Embassy. It was like an ad inviting Americans to consider moving to Russia.
Jeff: Oh yeah, yeah, a lot of thousands of Westerners are immigrating to Russia.
Bruce: Yeah! Yeah.
Jeff: Because they’re sick of all of the bullshit going on in the West.
Bruce: Yep. Yep. Yep. So, I just, you know.
Jeff: They tend to be Christians, Conservative, white, and they see, and I think there’s some truth to it. They see their civilization being threatened. I mean, they did a lot of bad stuff, but so did a lot of other people. And so there are a lot of conservative Christians who tend to be white who are moving to Russia. I know, I know a couple, three already.
Bruce: Right.
Jeff: The other thing that you could do is, is, I don’t know how much money these guys have. Your students would take a trip to China. And I’d be happy to be your guide. If you get the money together, I’d be happy to get you all around for 10 days or 2 weeks, and I know how to travel there cheap, but I don’t know if they want to live at the level that we live. We stay in really simple hotels and eat in local restaurants.
Bruce: Right.
Jeff: Really cheap, but even just going around Shenzhen, just in that area alone is… You don’t have to travel very far, and you know, take a high-speed train, and look at the 16,000 electric buses and the 80,000 taxis and 700 kilometers of Metro that have all been built in the last 10 years.
Bruce: Right.
Jeff: People are just blown away. They’re just blown away when they see China. They come back believers.
Bruce: Yeah. So, what would I have to do? I mean, I’ve never done anything like this. I mean, what are the steps I would have to take to…
Jeff: Well, I don’t have time to organize, but I mean, I could be there. You would obviously have to organize a contact. We’ll find out who wants to go. You have to have a budget of sorts. And, you know what I would do? Of course, they’re going to take their cut, but it would be worth it. Would be to contact a local travel agency, especially if you know somebody who has a travel agency, you know.
Bruce: Yes. Yes.
Jeff: Let them do all the work. The problem is, is that they’re going to want to try to put people in $50 a night hotels, and we just don’t do that. We stay in $10 to $15 a night hotels. We’re not white people staying. You know, they’re all local hotels, and we don’t go to restaurants where tourists go, we go to local restaurants, but that’s part of the flavor of. So, I would just give your travel agent a budget. You know, hotel rooms are no more than $20 a night, and tell them to go to Ctrip or Qunar. I’ll put it in the, should they know about us, see? C-trip, it’s actually capitalized, I guess. C-trip, or Qunar.
Bruce: That makes sense.
Jeff: Booking platforms and ask your team to do it, you know. And the other option, of course, is to go to Beijing, and that way you can go to the National Museum, you can go to the… just the Beijing Museum alone is just gobsmacking, just unbelievable.
Bruce: Definitely. Yeah.
Jeff: There’s the Forbidden City, and we could go to the Great Wall. You just see the metro, the roads, the flowers all over the place, and Tiananmen Square. That’d probably be the best one, and there are a lot of cheap tickets, a lot of cheap tickets.
Bruce: Yep.
Jeff: What airport do you live closest to?
Bruce: Seattle.
Jeff: Seattle. And I would sure get at least two, if not three. I’d let the travel agent know that you’re looking at not looking, you know. We don’t trust you, we’re gonna be looking elsewhere. I go to at least two to compare prices, you know.
Bruce: Yeah, yeah.
Jeff: For this number of tickets and we want a budget. How long do you all want to stay? You can stay up to 30 days for no passport or at least 10 for… I know they punish the Americans some. I’d have to check. But you can at least go for 10 days. And it’s just, we could even take a trip to Xiong’an, which is the new 22nd-century city south of Beijing, where they moved a million people, and it’s a zero-carbon city. It’s just like something out of the Jetsons. Remember the Jetsons?
Bruce: Yes, I do.
Jeff: It’s something out of the Jetsons, and I’d like to go see it. I’ve never seen it. It’s brand new, it’s the most advanced metropolitan planning that’s ever been conceived by the human race. So there’s tons… You know, Beijing’s better, Beijing’s better. Here, just Beijing, and cheap tickets. And I can fly there easily. It’s a two-hour flight for me.
Bruce: Now, in terms of, like, appeal to them, this might be like, a big too big step, so what I’m also thinking about, what’s, like, a baby step in terms of, like, online? Like, what are sites they could go to where they can see the kind of stuff that you’re describing, just on the computer?
Jeff: Well, what they need to do is they need to go to YouTube and search “My first 24 hours in China.” “My first week in China.” “What I discovered in China.”
Bruce: Okay, great.
Jeff: And now there are all these tourists who were just putting stuff up, you know. “I can’t believe what I found in China,” all these different search terms.
Bruce: Yes. Yep.
Jeff: And they’re gobsmacked. They just like, you know, we were told that China was a shithole and it’s 100 years ahead of the West. That’s easy, they can look at tons of those now.
Bruce: Well, I mean, what I’m gonna do is just direct them to your site, and just tell them to look around, and I’ll look around, and I’ll point stuff out, and that’ll get them going. That’ll be… You know.
Jeff: Well, what they need to do is… what would be a good… Yeah, I mean, I cover a lot of different stuff, so it’s not all China. I mean, I cover Palestine, I cover Europe, I cover… So they’re gonna have to have a good one, would be in terms of politics, would be just search Xi Jinping, search the CPC, Communist Party of China, the politics. It’s too bad, because it’s in Taiwan, but I’ve done 23 photo logs and video logs of Taiwan because I’m trying to humanize Asians, you know? I did a couple a really nice presentations on Vietnam. We went to Northern Vietnam for 3 weeks. So, as far as, like, just culture, they can search Shenzhen, because we lived there for 3 years, and Shenzhen is such an amazing city.
Bruce: Right.
Jeff: So, search for Shenzhen travel. I mean, I’ve got so many… I’ve got hundreds and hundreds of pictures, I just don’t have time to upload them.
Bruce: I just want to make sure that they don’t wind up in some kind of anti-communist.
Jeff: Oh, no, no, not on my website.
Bruce: No, no, not… no, of course not. But I just want to make sure that they’re guided in the right direction.
Jeff: Well, the thing, usually those ones, “you won’t believe what I saw in China,” “you won’t believe my first 24 hours in China,” “my first week in China,” “what I learned in China in one week,” all these different search terms. I have not seen any that are anti-China, because these are just good old-fashioned tourists who just went there and just could not even imagine what they saw.
Bruce: Yeah, that’s good. That’s good. That’s good. So, I have 3 questions I want to ask you. This is great, Jeff. This is exactly what I wanted. The second question I wanted to ask you about is this. I was reading and I’m reading a lot of stuff on communist psychology. And there’s a very good American who is really an expert on Vygotsky and communist psychology, and he was saying that Communist psychology has really not reached China. And he said that there isn’t an integration of communist ideas into the psychological world. He said that the teachings and the field of psychology in China is very Western mainstream. And so, I was thinking about a couple of the times we worked together, one of the first times we worked together, I made this presentation about what is socialist psychology, and you were telling me that it really got a lot of people to join in. And so what I was wondering about is what kinds of things I would have to do if I wanted to teach Communist psychology to Chinese people, like, via Zoom or something.
Jeff: Well, what I would do is, is, do you have any of your lectures taped?
Bruce: Yeah.
Jeff: Okay, put them on. How long are they?
Bruce: We’re about the time that you and I…
Jeff: Well, no, but I mean, are they 10 minutes long, 30 minutes long, 45 minutes long? How long are they?
Bruce: I would say, like, 45 minutes.
Jeff: Okay, well, I don’t know if TikTok will allow 45 minutes. And I have not gotten on Little Red Book, I’m sorry, I think it’s just called… is it Little Red Book? No, L… Red… red tree, I forgot. Let’s fucking cool. I get it so mixed up with the Chinese, Xiao Hong Shu.
Bruce: Yeah, you called it Red Note.
Jeff: Yeah, Red Note. I don’t know if they have a time limit, but you would get tons of followers. You would get tons of followers if you made little mini-lectures and just posted them there.
Bruce: On this Red Note?
Jeff: On Red Note and TikTok. I don’t know what the latest limit is. You’ll have to internet search Maximum video length TikTok, maximum video length Red Note. Alright, and do your lectures there. And what I don’t know, maybe your techie friend also asked him to hardwire Chinese subtitles into your little lectures.
Bruce: Ah! Yes.
Jeff: And make sure that he does not use the… He uses simplified characters from the mainland and not complicated characters, traditional characters from Taiwan. They use a slightly different script here.
Bruce: Okay. So, simpler characters.
Jeff: Simplified.
Bruce: Simplified, okay.
Jeff: Uses the giant PRC character set and not the Taiwan character set.
Bruce: Yes. Okay. And you think the best length of time is probably about 5 or 10 minutes?
Jeff: Well, that would get more, I mean, we all know, the shorter the better.
Bruce: Yes, yes. Yeah.
Jeff: I mean, that’s just… that’s all there is to it. I mean, unless you’re Mao Zedong, or Fidel Castro, or Thomas Sankara in Africa, or Hugo Chavez, as you know, the shorter the better. Recently, I uploaded a couple of video outtakes that were longer than 10 minutes, so I think TikTok has made their size in megabytes. And if it’s based on megabytes, you can do it instead of doing high-quality, you know, 1,270 pixels by 720 pixels, which is what I use for my shows. It uses something smaller, like 720 times 360, or 486. A really common one is 486 times 360 pixels.
Bruce: I see.
Jeff: And that way, you don’t use… You don’t gobble up so many megabytes. And then ask your friend to hardwire in the, with AI using. And of course, with AI, you know, he should be able to… Well, you’ll probably have your lecture written down anyway.
Bruce: Right. Yeah.
Jeff: And so, just dump that into ChatGPT and then just tell it to translate it into Chinese. Of course, the only problem is, is with subtitles is that you do want to synchronize, you don’t want to just dump it all in. You do have to, like, parse it so that this text goes with what you’re saying, and then as you…
Bruce: Yes. Yes, yes.
Jeff: So I don’t know, there’s probably AI that does that. You know, I mean, I don’t know, but then just, I guarantee you’ll get a huge following.
Bruce: Yeah.
Jeff: You’ll get a huge following. And I think that one of the reasons that China is more westernized in its psychology is that they have the benefit of being totally immersed in Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism.
Bruce: Right.
Jeff: So, I don’t think they see the need so much for, you know.
Bruce: Yes.
Jeff: What for each for communist psychology, because they’ve got the best psychology there is, Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism, you know? So I think it kind of eclipses. And they’ve got Marxism, and so you put those four together, and you’re in good shape.
Bruce: Right. This is really good, Jeff. Yeah, I mean, I think that I could work with this guy, Jack, and you know, I don’t think it would take much to actually get this off the ground. I mean, this would be wonderful. I mean it’s like, I really want to give this to people that are interested in this subject and really make a contribution to the Eurasian movement, you know?
Jeff: Well, there are people who have gotten on there. You know, basically bitching and moaning about the West. You know, their daily lives and stuff. And in 2 or 3 days, they have 20,000 or 30,000 followers on Red Note.
Bruce: Yeah.
Jeff: So you need to open a TikTok account and a Red Note account, and find out their parameters, what’s the max you can do, and then go from there. And I’m sure, I just take the lesser of the two. I mean, if Red Note allows half an hour, and TikTok allows 10 minutes. You don’t want to do two different lectures; just do one lecture, 10 minutes, and just put them on both platforms. This is supposed to be your type.
Bruce: Yep. Right. This is great. The other thing I just wanted to mention to you is that you have ever read Asimov’s Foundation, a science fiction novel?
Jeff: No, no, I know who he is, and I know how famous he is, and I know, yeah, I know who he is, but I have not read it. I have not read science fiction since high school. So, I started reading. I quit reading science fiction, and then I read all of the English classics and American classics, especially Victorian literature. So I could quit Thomas Hardy, and all that. I haven’t read science fiction in 50 years.
Bruce: Well, the reason I bring it up is that Marx’s friend of mine that I’ve had for 50 years, when he was a teenager, he read Asimov’s Foundation Series. And the foundations, and he was just swept away by it, by the idea that you’ve got this scientist who is a… he’s a mathematician and he wants to study the laws of history, and, like, what makes civilization rise and fall, and all this kind of stuff. And so, the Foundation series is connected up to all the ups and downs of his life and his comrades’ lives, but the reason I bring it up, Jeff, is that he’s very optimistic. And I don’t really follow science fiction very much at all, but the things I’ve seen here in the West as science fiction are completely negative. They’re dystopian, they’re all is lost, blah blah blah. It’s very hard to find a science fiction writer in the West who is, like, pro-development, that has a sense of progress, and this kind of stuff. And we were talking about why it is that this Foundation series is not… There has never been a movie of this Foundation series, the way, for example, The Lord of the Rings, which had 3 movies out of it. And both he and I came to the conclusion that the mood in the United States with science fiction tends to be so pessimistic that they don’t really think they could really sell Asimov’s optimism about what’s possible. So I was wondering, you might not know this, this is just a shot in the dark, but it’s like, the way I’m seeing how BRICS and the Chinese are operating, it’s like Asimov’s Foundation would go so well with what China is already doing. It would be like… I mean, every day they’re doing new things, I mean, it’s unbelievable. Every day, I see they’re in outer space, they’re building trains that go faster than planes. I mean, day after day, I see this stuff. And it just seems like a science fiction version of what the Chinese are doing, I would think, would have a great appeal.
Jeff: Yeah, well, are you saying that’s why is it Asimov is more popular in the West?
Bruce: No, I’m saying I wonder if they know, if the Chinese know about him, or were even interested in putting together some kind of a trilogy of the Foundation in a movie, because it’s so much in the spirit of what’s already happening in China.
Jeff: Well, I suspect he’s already… I mean, I could look, I can check in Chinese, and see if his books are published. I suspect they are. And maybe they don’t see the similarities. And that would be a monumental… that you would almost have to move to China, and I mean, you’re basically saying, I want to be the producer and make these movies, and that’s, you’ve got to find funding. That’s what executive producers bring in the cash.
Bruce: Right. Right.
Jeff: I mean, I know people in the movie industry. We acted in several movies in China. So I know of a very big studio there. I know the people there. But that’s something that’s Chinese, you have to figure out these cells, you know? I mean, if Asimov is in Chinese, then maybe they’ve even done movies with Asimov.
Bruce: Yeah.
Jeff: We don’t even know.
Bruce: Yeah, I’m gonna look that up, because that’s the only thing. I mean, I’m not interested in trying to produce any movies, I’m just interested in… Has anything been done in China that of these trilogies, because it just seems to go with everything that’s going on.
Jeff: Well, look, I’ll check in Chinese and let you know. That they may have done some movies back in the 70s and 80s, who knows?
Bruce: Yeah. Do you know, like, what science is in China, like, the state of science fiction?
Jeff: Oh, well, that’s the three-body that’s been a massive, the three-body… what’s it called, Three-body form, or three-body? I mean, the Chinese have made two films out of it, and that’s been a huge global smash hit, and you can find it subtitled in English. Three-body, I forgot what the third word… I even did an article about them. So just search three and body on my website, and I did it. I did an article on it. Oh no, science fiction’s massive in Chinese literature, they love science fiction. Love it.
Bruce: Yes.
Jeff: So, there you go. I’ll check in Chinese for the Asimov Foundation movie. Is it just one trilogy, or is it several trilogies?
Bruce: Well, the main trilogy is… There are 3 books: Foundation, Foundation, and Empire. And then there’s one called Second Foundation. Those three. But then he wrote… what happened was that he wrote these three books in the 50s. And he never wrote about him again, but he got so much pressure from his fans that in the late 1980s, he wrote three more books that were kind of like the prehistory of the foundation.
Jeff: Yeah, the prequel, Star Wars, call them the prequel.
Bruce: Yeah, yeah, and so, the three that I mentioned, or that he did in the 50s, are more what I was looking at, because there’s so much that you can give to people, and then if it gets too long, this… You know, it’s too many movies, but I will look at this three-body. Yeah, I’m really glad to hear science fiction is big, where…
Jeff: Oh, it’s huge. It’s huge. Literature is like a whole… It’s like a huge, huge… I mean, they’re offering books on metros.
Bruce: Yep.
Jeff: You scan the QR code, you can read books while you’re on the metro, you can scan QR codes, read books in train stations, you can scan QR codes, read books on trains, airports.
Bruce: Yes.
Jeff: It’s a Hong Kong ferry. You can scan QR codes to read books. So the Chinese are big-time readers.
Bruce: Yeah, that’s not surprising. Well, Jeff, you’ve answered my questions. I mean, I figured we would take about an hour with this. Did you want to talk about anything else?
Jeff: No. No, but this is so good. Why don’t we make it a show? Seriously. When we get a show, it’s recorded.
Bruce: Yeah.
Jeff: If you want to, why not?
Bruce: Sure!
A casual conversation with Bruce Lero and Jeff J. Brown.
Bruce: I’d love it!
Jeff: Alright, I’ll do that. Because now, when I get on Zoom, since I forgot one time and had to do the damn show over, everything’s automatic. The video starts, the transcript starts, everything starts, because I don’t want to forget. And it even does a summary, a 10-point summary for me.
Bruce: Well, sure,
Jeff: Sounds good?
Bruce: It sounds great.
Jeff: All right. Well, listen, I’m going to get back to… In fact, I have had nothing to eat today.
Bruce: Okay, so you need to get some breakfast.
Jeff: And so I need to get some food in my gullet. Talk to you soon, I’ll give you a Confucius, Taoist, and Buddhist bow.
Bruce: Thank you, Jeff.
Jeff: And good luck with your students, and we’ll be in touch.
Bruce: Thanks so much, Jeff. Take care.
Jeff: Bye-bye.
Bruce: Good to see you. Bye-bye.
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JEFF J. BROWN, Editor, China Rising, and Senior Editor & China Correspondent, Dispatch from Beijing, The Greanville Post
Jeff J. Brown is a geopolitical analyst, journalist, lecturer and the author of The China Trilogy. It consists of 44 Days Backpacking in China – The Middle Kingdom in the 21st Century, with the United States, Europe and the Fate of the World in Its Looking Glass (2013); Punto Press released China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (2016); and BIG Red Book on China (2020). As well, he published a textbook, Doctor WriteRead’s Treasure Trove to Great English (2015). Jeff is a Senior Editor & China Correspondent for The Greanville Post, where he keeps a column, Dispatch from Beijing and is a Global Opinion Leader at 21st Century. He also writes a column for The Saker, called the Moscow-Beijing Express. Jeff writes, interviews and podcasts on his own program, China Rising Radio Sinoland, which is also available on YouTube, Stitcher Radio, iTunes, Ivoox and RUvid. Guests have included Ramsey Clark, James Bradley, Moti Nissani, Godfree Roberts, Hiroyuki Hamada, The Saker and many others. [/su_spoiler]
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