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Amir Khan: Quan, how are you, sir?

Quan Le: Doing well. I read some of your articles. Outstanding.

Amir: Oh, thank you! Wow, that’s so nice of you to say. I’m honored.

Quan: Wow. We have more or less the same, let’s say, perspective on geopolitical reality.

Amir: Sure, yeah.

Jeff J. Brown: How old are you?

Quan: Okay, cool.

Jeff: All right, this is Jeff J. Brown for China Writers’ Group Roundtable Number 5. To do this, we’ve got on call Amir, who is in Changsha, Hunan, China. We have Eric Arnow, who is in… are you in Volgograd, Eric?

Eric: No, Thailand.

Jeff: Oh, you’re back in Thailand!

Eric: Yeah.

Jeff: Oh, wow, okay. All right. And we have Quan in Montreal, Canada. Thank you all for being here. Who wants to bring up the first topic?

Quan: Well, I would like to talk about what happened on May 7, 2025, that I call the SWES moment. What do you think?

Jeff: What happened on the 7th? That’s too long ago for me.

Quan: Wow. Amir wrote an outstanding article about that, okay? Because on May 7, 2025—

Jeff: Oh, you’re talking about Pakistan and India. Is that right?

Quan: Yes, but it’s bigger than Pakistan. Yes, it’s that, but it’s bigger. According to what I understand, it’s a victory of the sovereigns by proxy through Pakistan over the United States of Israel. It’s only the first step, of course. I’m not a triumphalist, and I know that it’s not yet finished, but it is a clear SWES moment for me because for the first time, it has been proven with absolute certainty that the weapons made by China are superior to the weapons made by what I call, once again, the KFCAZEL: the Kakistocratic Feudal Conglomerate of the Anglo-Zio-American establishment.

And it is absolutely a watershed, okay, because until now, most countries of the Global South were happy that China contributed to their economic development, but they were always afraid that the KFCAZEL would strike them militarily and that economic development was far too far from being guaranteed as long as there was no kind of military backup. And what happened on May 7, 2025, was an absolute triumph because it shows the countries of the Global South that they will no longer have to live in fear. And you know that Egypt bought those same weapons from China many months before. And since then, there are a lot of orders from different countries for those same weapons. So, I’m not promoting war, but what I’m saying is: Si vis pacem, para bellum—if you want peace, you have to prepare for war. But I know that Amir wrote an outstanding article, so I’ll shut up now for Amir to continue with the same topic.

Jeff: Take it away, Amir.

Amir: Oh, sure. Well, thank you, Quan. Yeah, I am a bit shy to kind of speak as any kind of expert on any of this. Yeah, I just troll a website and stuff like that. I really feel like you guys are the experts. I’m happy to listen to your analysis and stuff, but the one thing that maybe I would kind of add is that it wasn’t even a matter… I mean, this Indian guy who’s sort of making the rounds on social media, Pravin Sawhney, the Indian military analyst, I’m sure he’s probably shown up on some of you guys’ feeds and stuff like that. I mean, what he’s saying is one thing that Pakistan did very well is that they imported an entire suite of not only just jets—so it’s not necessarily that the Rafale is inferior or superior to anything.

I mean, hardware-wise, everything is equal. But what is India doing? They’re buying radar from one country, they’re buying jets from another country, and now you have to kind of integrate missiles from another country, and you have to integrate all this stuff, and this is just not… it’s not… you’re losing the sort of AI war because Pakistan imported the entire suite of radar, satellites, military jets—they all come from one place, so they’re all integrated, very well integrated. So, it was that entire sort of AI suite that is what gave Pakistan the clear-cut advantage. So, yeah, there’s that. I would sort of add that.

Jeff: Well, what I’d like to know is—supposedly, of course, there’s so much propaganda, even on Sputnik or RT—before we got on the show tonight, that the Indians are saying, “Oh, we made some tactical errors, and now we’ve corrected that, and now we can do whatever we want against Pakistan from a long distance.” So, what I’d like to know is, how are Indian missiles getting into Pakistan? What happened to Pakistan’s surface-to-air missiles? What happened to Pakistan’s defense as far as incoming missiles? That’s what I don’t understand. Supposedly, India bombed the shit out of them, and so what happened?

Quan: Let’s remind everyone a little bit about the chronology of the events. First, the Pakistani pilots managed to identify the Indian airplanes in the first episode, okay? And with that episode, the Indian pilots just ran back home. I hear a kind of echo when I’m speaking. Do you guys hear it?

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, I too.

Quan: Yeah, are you guys capable of understanding me, notwithstanding the echo?

Amir: Yeah.

Quan: Okay, it’s gone. Okay, I will speak slowly; maybe it won’t come back. So, in the first episode, the Indian pilots went home because they had been detected by the Pakistanis. Modi insisted with his officers that they had to return and bring down the Pakistanis, okay? And it’s that second phase of the battle, involving more than a hundred airplanes, during which there were 15 to 20 Indian airplanes that were locked by the Pakistanis. And the Pakistanis, willing to show mercy, just downed five to six of the Indian airplanes, okay?

The other technical stuff that I want to add is that what happened on May 7, 2025, was the first real combat situation using BVR (Beyond Visual Range) strikes within a shared data-link system, okay?  What Amir mentioned when he was adumbrating the HQ-9, the airplanes, the AWACS, and so on. And he was right by mentioning that it’s not really that the J-10 was truly superior to the Rafale or to Mig or to the Sukhoi. It was rather the tactical coordination between the different pieces on the ground, in the air, and with the AWACS—the airborne warning and control system—which allowed the Pakistani side to have a clear victory over the Indian side.

And I think that we should not be shy to mention… I know that I will be trashed by many people for saying certain things in such a direct manner, but we should not be shy to say that the Pakistanis were advised by Chinese military advisors who were there, live, during the battle on May 7, 2025, and the next three days after: May 8, May 9, and May 10. And they were having live discussions with Chinese military advisors, okay? So, that part concerning tactics, operations, and strategy had been implemented long ago, because when the Chinese sold their airplanes to Pakistan, there was also training included in the sale. And the Pakistani pilots had been trained by Chinese officers many months before what happened on May 7, 2025. And it’s really a beautiful case of collaboration between Global South nations. That’s why I insist so much and I’m making a long speech on that.

Jeff: Well, let me ask then, because there’s so much propaganda going on. And of course, RT and Sputnik are trashing Pakistan because Indians has been buying Russian arms for decades. So they are pumping up India and denying the five planes were shot down and all that, so the propaganda is flying thick. But what I’d like to know, then, is it propaganda that Pakistan really was bombed mercilessly and got the shit bombed out of them? Or is that also propaganda? Did the Pakistani weapons systems stop the missiles from coming into Pakistan? That’s what I don’t know. Does anybody know?

Quan: I’m sorry to take the mike once again, but I would like to mention a laughable case of Indian propaganda, right? They mentioned that the city of Lahore was a port, a harbor, that had been destroyed by the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force. Completely wrong. Lahore is not a port. Okay, so I just want to mention that case to… I think that I should talk in a lower voice; it will decrease the echo. I just want to mention that laughable case to illustrate that the Indian propaganda is incredible. And I also want to mention Pankaj Sharma, the Indian propagandist, 24/7, 365, on how the Indian Army and Navy and Air Force are outstanding. You know that the Indian government sent seven delegations worldwide, trying to convince foreign governments that they had won on May 7, okay? And you know that what… Okay.

Jeff: Hey, Eric, can you mute your sound and let’s see what happens? Until you want to talk, and if you want to talk, turn it on.

Eric: I see myself muted.

Jeff: Because we’re getting a terrible echo, and you’re my dear friend, and I like you very much.

Eric: I know, but I’m looking at my screen, and it shows both video and audio muted.

Quan: Okay, it’s better, it’s better, it’s better. Okay, so when that propagandizing team from India went to the States, what I’ll say is that their overlords, the United States of Israel, flatly refused to see them. I think that the only Western country who received those propagandizing teams seriously is France, because they wanted to know what happened to their Rafales.

Jeff: The Rafales.

Quan: And when they asked to have access to the debris of the Rafale that had been downed, the Indian government flatly refused them access to the Rafale.

Jeff: Wow, that’s really interesting. Go ahead, go ahead, Quan.

Quan: I just want to say that until proven otherwise—and I will be trashed once again for saying things so bluntly—everything said by the Indian side should be considered propaganda. And I would like to mention one gentleman from India that I suggest everyone watch his channel. The name of the channel is Force Magazine, and he was a former officer of the Indian Army.

Amir: His name is Pravin Sawhney.

Quan: Absolutely, absolutely. His name is Pravin Sawhney. And just for the audience, I just want to spell his family name, S-A-W-H-N-E-Y.

Amir: Jeff, that’s the video I sent you, when you always said the accent was a bit hard to follow.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, he’s an older guy. He’s an older guy.

Amir: Yeah, yeah, the heavy Indian accent, but anyway, the subtitles help. Sorry, go ahead, Quan.

Quan: No, that’s okay. I was going to say that he’s probably the only guy in India giving a balanced view of the situation, okay? And maybe he’s a little bit too much; he’s even more enthusiastic than me, I think, okay? One of the last videos that he has made about the event on May 7, 2025, was that China is now replacing the U.S. as the dominant power in South Asia. And I think it’s maybe a little exaggerated because I don’t know. Eric, did you hear me, Eric? Eric, do you hear me? Are you able just to cut off your microphone?

Eric: I cut it off.

Jeff: But we can hear you.

Eric: I don’t know.

Quan: Yeah. Okay, so maybe the… I don’t know where it’s coming from, that echo. Anyway, I think, okay, I’ll stop here for now.

Jeff: I saw on WeChat—well, actually, it was not my feed, it must have been another feed, because I went back to look for it and I couldn’t find it. It was about 10 minutes long. It was on TikTok. And I watched it, and I think maybe Amir also saw it. And it said that India is completely in cahoots with the Jewish State and that it was involved in the false flag—Mossad, if you will. And the Jewish State army was actually there on May 7 helping the Indians against the Pakistanis. And that the Indians love the Israelis because the Indians like to think of themselves as a master race, too. Now, they’re very, very, very xenophobic, and what is it called? Hindutva, or something?

Quan: Hindutva ideology. It’s the ideology going back to a guy named Bal Gangadhar Tilak, and it’s almost a century old. It’s related to British colonial manipulation, okay? In 1847, a guy named Max Müller discovered the theory of the Indo-European languages family, and the British colonial masters at the time propagated the idea of the Aryan theory to buy off the Indian upper class because they wanted to make the tax collection uniform, so they had to put all those people together in one group that they created, and it’s called the Hindu opposed to the Muslim or opposed to other castes, right? And because of that, there is a kind of ideology based on the fact that the Indian upper class were of the same stock than the Europeans, okay? And Hindutva ideology stems a little bit from that ideology.

Jeff: Okay.

Quan: So, it’s a product of British colonialism. And Modi, from the Bharatiya Janata Party, meaning the Indian People’s Party, has been, let’s say, supported and promoted by the activist branch of that ideology, which is named the RSS, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, meaning the National Volunteer Organization. And that RSS is the operational branch of that Hindutva ideology. And I remind everyone that Modi took power in 2014, so 11 years ago. And since then, they have made a clear and strong rapprochement with Israel because the ideological basis is that they see themselves as surrounded by a sea of Muslim people, and they have a little bit of a warped rapprochement with the situation with Israel, meaning the only Jewish state is surrounded by a sea of Muslim people. So, you see that there is a kind of rapprochement between two fascistic and racist ideologies.

Amir: Well, great. Excellent. Amazing.

Jeff: Also, in that same 10-minute clip, the main thesis was that all of this stuff going on against Pakistan is to derail efforts by Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, and that he sent a confidential letter to the Pakistani leadership inviting them to join hands for the fight because there’s going to be a war. I mean, there’s no doubt about it. There’s going to be a war with Iran, just like there’s going to be a war with China. So the Jewish State and the Indians got in cahoots to pull off the false flag, kill some tourists, blame Pakistan. Supposedly—but maybe it’s all just a big lie—they supposedly bombed the shit out of Pakistan. But has it ever been proven? I don’t know.

And so, to keep Pakistan pinned down because the Jewish State is scared to death that Pakistan may join hands with Iran when Israel will most certainly attack Iran and try to take out its nuclear development facilities. And Trump just gave Iran a final offer today or yesterday, and it was basically, from what I understand, “You have to destroy your entire nuclear ambition.” So, I think we can expect the Jewish State to do everything it can to probably attack Iran. And so the Jewish State wanted to make sure that Pakistan was kept away because that would make it much, much more difficult for the Iranians, especially with Pakistan’s Chinese weapons. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but that’s what the video… did you see the same video, Amir, a little 10-minute clip about it? What do you think?

Amir: Yeah, I did see that. I mean, that’s like a new front that I never sort of anticipated. Wow, like, okay, let’s see, like a Pakistan-Iran sort of merging or a coalition. I mean, I guess it’s possible. Another thing I also heard is that Israel wants there to be just, you know, contained war in India-Pakistan so that the world’s attention—it will wag the dog—the world’s attention moves to that part of the world, and they can finish their final solution in Gaza and just get rid of everybody.

Jeff: Yeah, and the West Bank, and the Golan Heights, and Syria, and Lebanon.

Amir: Yeah, in the West Bank. Now there’s too much heat, too much pressure on them. So if they can get their little stooges in India to…

Jeff: But what’s the mystery to me is that I always heard that Pakistan was a Mossad-CIA vassal, that the Mossad and CIA control Pakistan. That’s why they got rid of Imran Khan, right? You know, the guy who was elected, the popular one, the squash player?

Quan: Yes.

Jeff: And they were able to get rid of him because Mossad and the CIA are basically running the show. So if they’re running the show, then who did Khomeini send the letter to? Mossad and the CIA? I don’t know. And surely the Iranians are savvy enough to know who Pakistan is working with.

Amir: Yeah, what they’re all doing, right? Like, why was there never a Pakistan-Iran sort of brotherhood ever sort of floated, that idea ever floated before? It just… it can’t happen overnight.

Jeff: Not to mention the distance for the jets. They can only go 700 kilometers, and then they have to turn around and come back unless they refuel. So, I don’t know. The more I thought about that little 10-minute clip, the more I thought, “Man, I don’t know if there’s any substance to it or not.” So I guess the big question is, if the Jewish state attacks Iran, what’s Russia gonna do? Because Iran is a member of the SCO, and so is Russia. And Iran is a member of the… not the BRICS, but the countries that are satellites—or did Iran get in in the first cut? I can’t remember. And then what’s China gonna do? You know, because they’ve been working together with the Pakistanis for decades.

But the big one is Russia. I don’t know if you all heard, but when there was that tit-for-tat where the Jewish state killed somebody—I don’t remember if it was… they bombed somebody who was visiting Iran. I don’t think it was the original one back in 2016; this was more recent. And so then Iran shot off a few of their hypersonics, bombed military airports, you know, did some pretty serious damage. And then the rumor was that the Jewish state launched an F-35 with electromagnetic weapons with the goal of getting over Tehran and completely burning out all of the mobile phones and all of the telecommunications in Tehran. And the rumor was that the Russians, once it got out of Jordanian airspace, Russia shot it down. And Pepe Escobar won’t go to the mat on that.

You know, saying, “I’ve talked about this. This is the third time I’ve talked to people about it. The first time they said it was true, the second time they said it was true, and the third time they said it was true,” and then he dropped it. So I don’t know what… because Russia comes down, you know, on the Caspian, so their S-400s and S-500s could go that far. So that’s the big question: what is Russia going to do if the Jewish State sends out 50 F-35s to take out Iran’s supposed nuclear threat? What do you all think about what Russia would do?

Quan: Well, I don’t have a clear answer for that, but I think that we have to take into account that Russia has a lot of stakes with what is called the North-South Transportation Corridor, going from Iran to St. Petersburg. And the other thing, too, that I would like to remind everyone is that Iran is a member of BRICS, and Iran is a member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, too. So, I also want to go back to Pakistan. We all know that Pakistan has been an instrument for the US during the war in Afghanistan, right? Because there’s a deep connection between the Pakistani intelligence service, the ISI, with the U.S. alphabet soup agencies. But what changed in the last 20 years—and I would like also to remind that the collaboration between Pakistan and China goes back to the 1950s, okay?

Of course, China didn’t have the same weight in the 1950s, ’60s, ’70s, ’80s, ’90s as it does now. What changed is that the Pakistani military knows that they can rely on China. And I don’t know if you follow Victor Gao, but Victor Gao is someone that I would trust as being not the official mouthpiece of the CPC, but let’s say the unofficial mouthpiece of the CPC, okay? So we can rely on what he’s saying. And he said many times in the last two weeks that Pakistan can rely on China for defending Pakistani sovereignty. Okay, and that is the big thing. So, even if I’m not naive and I’m sure that there are still old links between the US alphabet soup agencies and Mossad with the Pakistani ISI, I still think that at the political level, China is much closer. Pakistan and the Pakistan government…

Jeff: Oh, we lost him. Are you back, Quan?

Quan: Jeff, do you hear me? Hello, hello?

Jeff: You cut out for about 10 seconds. You cut out for about 10 or 15 seconds.

Quan: Okay. Okay, so the last thing that I said was that at the political level, the Pakistani government can be sure that China will do everything in her possibility in her power for upholding the sovereignty of Pakistan. And that is notwithstanding the links still existing, I’m sure, between the alphabet soup agencies and the Pakistani intelligence services. I think that we can rely on that. At the political level, things have shifted, especially after what I would call the joint victory of China and Pakistan over India and the United States of Israel.

Amir: I think it’s definitely true that in the case of India, it’s just clear-cut; it’s drawn. It’s not complex. China definitely hates India. There’s one thing I’m learning as this conflict progresses is, wow! I thought that Chinese people hated Japanese, but boy, do they really not like Indians either. I mean, you can just see it everywhere. So in that case, it’s clear-cut, but in other cases, China will sort of equivocate, like with the… it was Imran Khan, right, who signed the deal to buy these Chinese jets. And when they threw him out, China didn’t do anything. I mean, so then it gets a bit more complex, right? It gets more geopolitical. But for whatever reason, the historical forces have aligned such that it’s definitely true. There is no way China will not have Pakistan’s back when it comes to India. That, I think, is clear-cut.

Quan: Yes. Yes. Yeah, I think you have a very good point, Amir, in the sense that we have to make a distinction between geopolitical interests and the specific person at Islamabad, right? It might sound a little bit, let’s say, cruel, but geopolitics is a cruel game. But it doesn’t change anything for China, the exact name of the person ruling Pakistan. What is important is that the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor just keeps on. And I would say that there is a positive thing that is beyond the geopolitical cruelty is that the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, if it works, wouldn’t change completely the region in terms of economic and human development.

And from that perspective, which is higher than who is who in Islamabad, that perspective can be used to read what China’s move would be concerning protecting or not protecting Pakistan’s sovereignty, okay? Because in geopolitics, you have geography and you have politics. And what is true is that geography is destiny. Pakistan is the perfect geographical corridor for China to go from the mainland to the Middle East countries without having to go through the seas and the oceans. That is why it is an absolute, most of the time, Pakistan’s sovereignty, okay? Geopolitical reality.

Jeff: Does anybody know, is the Gwadar Port in Pakistan that connects the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor with Tibet—is the Gwadar port functioning right now? Does anybody know?

Quan: Absolutely. Absolutely.

Jeff: Oh, it is, it is functional. Okay, good, okay.

Amir: I didn’t know that, yeah.

Quan: Speaking of ports, I want to mention, too, that Beijing has canceled Li Ka-Shing’s sale to BlackRock of the 42 ports worldwide. The only thing that is clear for Beijing is that if the Americans insist very much on having the Panama Canal, that’s okay, but for the rest, the 41 or 40-odd ports across the whole world, it’s out of the question that they could be sold to BlackRock. So that’s another very important question.

Jeff: I wonder if Li Ka-shing even knew what was going on. He’s 94 or something, he’s an old guy.

Quan: 96.

Jeff: I think it’s his junior officers, the new generation, that tried to do that. I don’t think he’s too Chinese, you know, he would not do that without calling Beijing first, whereas these young Turks, you know, did it without apparently even letting Beijing know. So, you know, I think Li Ka-shing is, you know.

Jeff: Just remind me, Jeff, did what?

Quan: Well, what’s it called? CK Hutchison. His company is called Hutchison.

Jeff: Hutchison. CK Hutchison.

Quan: Yeah, CK, that’s right, CK Hutchison. Li Ka-shing is a multi-multi-billionaire Hong Kong real estate baron.

Amir: Yeah, Hong Kong.

Jeff: And, all of a sudden—you remember, like, maybe six months ago—all of a sudden, “Oh! BlackRock can advise CK Hutchison,” and Beijing was completely blindsided. They didn’t even know about it. And of course, then they finally, eventually, you know, they blocked it. Gave CK Hutchison the opportunity to back out, and so CK Hutchison had finally backed out. But Li Ka-shing would never have done that on himself. But he’s at home, he’s 96, he’s probably has a nurse and an exercise machine, but these young guys that took over, I think, on the board, they really fucked up. They really fucked up.

Quan: No, but the deal was canceled in the last few days, on Wednesday, April 2, 2025.

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.

Quan: And it has been canceled by the Board of Directors, having transferred 2% to another person so that CK Hutchison would not have the majority of the assets. So, it has been an internal move for preventing Li Ka-shing to sell those 42 or 43 ports to BlackRock. And it has been done under the fact that even if Li Ka-shing transferred his assets for fiscal reasons to the Virgin Islands, CK Hutchison is still on Chinese soil because his company, the headquarters of his company, is on Hong Kong Island, which is part of China right now, as everyone knows. And because of that, Beijing has a right to intervene, but Beijing let the company solve the problem internally by transferring 2% to another group so that Li Ka-shing would no longer have the majority of the assets.

Jeff: So you think Li Ka-shing knew about it and was for it? Is that what you think?

Quan: Oh, yeah. Li Ka-shing is a typical plutocrat. He doesn’t have a motherland or his motherland is money, and that’s all.

Jeff: Well, that surprises me. Go ahead, Amir.

Amir: You know, on what leverage do you think that a party to use to solve this internally? how would they kind of, you know, twist the arm?

Quan: Well, you know what happened to Jack Ma?

Amir: Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. They disappeared him, right?

Quan: Exactly. So, since CK Hutchison is still with an address in Hong Kong, meaning in China, the CPC would be capable to do things in a more brutal manner. But for everyone, it’s better to solve it in a soft manner.

Amir: Right, right, right.

Jeff: Amir, the first thing they did is they had a really strongly worded editorial in a semi-state publication, I can’t remember the name of it.

Amir: Global Times, right?

Jeff: Which I can’t remember, but it was really strongly worded. For China, it was really strongly worded. It just came out, you know, “This is against our sovereignty, this is against national interests. We hope that CK Hutchison thinks deeply, deeply about this and makes the right decision.” And then they had another editorial that came out about, I don’t know, maybe four or six weeks later, that basically said the same thing, because maybe they were getting some information that they were resisting and couldn’t make a decision. And did they come out with a third one? I can’t remember if they came out with a third editorial, but it was pretty clear. When I saw that second editorial, I thought, “Okay, it’s over, it’s not gonna happen.”

Amir: Oh, right, wow, okay, interesting.

Jeff: Because they’re not going to let it happen.

Quan: That’s some code for Beijing that we would be deeply disappointed if we have to take strong measures.

Amir: Yeah, right, right. I was just gonna ask, Quan, what you think of this, you know, the Indus Waters Treaty. And I was watching, yeah, what is that Force Magazine guy, Pravin Sawhney, again today. Oh no, I was actually watching Victor Gao, and Victor Gao was saying that, you know, at the higher-ups, okay, even if India has the power to sort of apply the chokehold to the Pakistani water supply, Beijing can also do the same to India, because however it works, right, it starts in Tibet, and then it goes down into India, and then from India it goes to Pakistan. So Victor Gao was on TV saying, “Well, do not do unto others what you do not want done unto you.” So, that I found kind of interesting. What’s your take on that, Quan?

Quan: Well, I would say that it’s for sure that it’s leverage that Beijing can use, okay? But I would say that here, we are at the center of what I call basic human rights. I would say that Beijing would not move against India unless India took the first step, okay? Because when we are dealing with basic human rights, with human development, with economic development, you know perfectly that the platform on which China is presenting herself to the world, especially to the Global South, is that “we are the alternative for economic and human development against the predatory imperialism of the Anglo-Zio-American establishment,” okay? I say things in a very summarized manner, but I think that we understand each other.

Jeff: Yeah, excellent.

Quan: So, for that kind of stuff, I would say that Beijing would not move unless India took the first step, because it would damage a lot of Beijing’s image as the upholder of more justice on Earth.

Amir: Haven’t they already started a little bit? Something like 40% of Pakistani farmers, or 80% of them, are just not going to receive the same water supply already. The treaty is in abandon, as far as I know, I’m not sure.

Quan: Wow. That’s what I read, too. But I would say that it wouldn’t come, maybe, in the next weeks and months, if the situation persisting. Because now, what is happening is that India is not very happy with the US, because the U.S. showed very clearly that India is the stooge of the KFCAZEL, right? With Donald Trump trumpeting across the world that he intervened directly to stop the fight in May, and blah, blah, blah. I think that what will happen in the next three to four weeks is that we will have to give back to India a little bit of what I call diplomatic face. So, India will regain some kind of honor in the face of the international community, especially after their very clumsy moves sending delegations worldwide, trying to convince people that they were victorious even if they were defeated. We need the next…

Amir: But yeah, somebody also said… he also said they only sent the… it kind of blew up in their face, because they only sent them to white Western countries. They sent them to no ASEAN countries, so they’re not even trying… They’re showing all of their neighbors that “we don’t give a fuck about you, because you’re just nothing, and we’re India, and the only ones we’re trying to make our case to are our white overlord imperialist masters.” So, in that sense, it’s kind of a failure.

Quan: Absolutely. Yeah, but for China, it’s called the Sun Tzu Strategy.

Amir: Yeah, you’re right.

Quan: According to His Majesty Napoleon I, “Don’t make a move while your enemy is killing himself.”

Amir: Yeah, yeah. So yeah, in terms of saving face, I’m curious about, like, how you guys are perceiving that. And then Quan, you’re in Montreal, because you’re saying if you speak sort of forcefully against India, people kind of shit on you? So are you saying that kind of in the Western… because I’m sort of tuned out of all that. Are you saying that generally, the Indian narrative is sort of taking hold, or people believe it, or not? From my perspective, it seems like no one takes India seriously anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they’re just crying. Trump doesn’t even take them seriously. I don’t even think the Western powers… They know, “Okay, yeah, you’re gonna cry a bit.” But yeah, what’s your take on that? Are they winning the propaganda war? Because from my perspective, they just look like clowns.

Quan: No, I think they lost the propaganda war, because, as you know, India was favored in the West, until maybe… until maybe last month, or let’s say three months ago, because, let’s not forget that the U.S. chose India 10 years ago as a counterbalance to China. But it is becoming more and more obvious—and here, okay, most of the time, I try to be diplomatic, but I choose not to be diplomatic—a lot of stuff in the US is in decline because of the Indians, precisely, okay? To give you a very stark example, Silicon Valley in the last 10 years went downwards because of Indian nepotism. A lot of CEOs in Silicon Valley’s companies have been infiltrated by Indian people, and there was not a lot of creativity and innovation in the last 10 years. The same for Boeing, okay? The catastrophe that happened to Boeing…

Jeff: Oh my god, that’s true. I never thought of that.

Quan: Yes, the catastrophe having happened to Boeing is because of Indian nepotism having infiltrated Boeing, precisely. And, if it’s not the only cause, it’s one of the two major causes.

Jeff: You know, I was bought into this propaganda like, “Oh, these Indian…”

Quan: Go ahead, Amir.

Amir: Yeah, I’m just saying, just following up with what you were saying, I was bought into this propaganda, like, “Okay, Indians are very,” like, this is sort of what I think, right? Like, “very smart Indians who are good programmers and stuff like that, they go to Silicon Valley,” and everybody always says the highest-earning diaspora in the United States are Indians, even ahead of Chinese. And so I’d always thought, “Oh yeah, of course, if Indians are liberated, sort of, from their caste system and they can sort of go abroad, then their talents and their powers really sort of show.” But you’re saying, no, they bring the nepotism and cronyism with them to Silicon Valley, and they’re tanking these places.

Quan: Absolutely. And the overlords, the Americans, are beginning to be aware of it.

Amir: Amazing. Incredible.

Quan: And the fact that they lost the battle against China and Pakistan on May 7 cleared it up in the mind of the American overlords that they are useless stooges, like the Ukrainians, if I may say so, okay?

Amir: Ha! Yeah, yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, I see what you’re saying, you’re right. Whoa, so this is totally, yeah, a SWES moment, like you’re saying.

Jeff: I’ve read articles about that, too, about how in these companies in the United States, and probably Europe, too, once an Indian gets into a decision-making role, they purge everybody underneath them. They purge everybody underneath them, and as you say, nepotism—they hire exclusively Indians. And if they’re Gujarati, they’re all from Gujarat. Or if they’re from Mumbai, they’re all from Mumbai. So, it ends up having a very deleterious effect on a lot of American companies. So I actually have read articles about that, so it must be true if you are seeing certain things.

Jeff: So then how come Trump is still raw raw H-1B visas?

Quan: Well, I don’t have a clear answer for that, but one hypothesis is still the same plutocratic mentality, trying to make a quick buck and not thinking about the future. But I have a very bad opinion about Trump and his team, okay? I think that for those plutocrats, the only thing they want is to be close to the coffers so they can get as many advantages for themselves. When the system collapses, I think that’s their only goal. They have no other goals.

Because by projection, I tend to think that someone in a power position would have lofty goals of developing countries or advancing people epistemologically, and so on. But I wake up from my dream. I think that Trump and his team are only shysters, being there to be able to get as many advantages while the system is collapsing, because you know that the White House is becoming a kind of trading hub for special information for their small group, or Trump making a lot of money because of his meme coins, for example. That is absolutely unimaginable in China, that someone in a position of power would speculate with his meme coins.

Jeff: You know, I was just… the other day, it was just this last week, it’s like every day, Trump comes out and says, “Oh, he’s raising steel tariffs from 25% to 50%.” Do you know how much foreknowledge of that would be worth on the stock market to short all the steel companies? I mean, of course! Of course, so every time he comes out with one of these pronouncements, you know that all those hogs are at the trough doing naked shorts and making billions and billions of dollars. I read another article where even Goldman Sachs said that after he raised the tariffs to 150%, or whatever it was, all around the world, Goldman Sachs was making billions and billions and billions of dollars on naked shorts.

Because obviously, they had insider information about which sector was going to be hit the hardest or if, you know, they had insider information that, “Well, Trump’s gonna reverse his decision.” You know, and then the next day the steel companies go up 3%. You do that every day, and man, you get rich quick. I mean, so the insider information, I think, is just… well, Nancy Pelosi, you know, her portfolio outperforms the S&P 500. So they’re all in on it. Democrats, Republicans, they’re all in cahoots. It’s just a gigantic corruption cesspool, and Westerners take it. They just say, “Well, I guess that’s just the way it is. You know, I guess there’s nothing we can do about it.” So, did you all see or hear Hegseth’s speech yesterday or the day before yesterday at the Shangri-La military powwow in Singapore? Did you all read the text of it or listen to it? Did you listen to it?

Quan: Absolutely.

Jeff: Unbelievable.

Quan: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: I mean, I was kind of on the fence. “Well, America’s not going to go to war with China. They really don’t want to do it. They’re not going to go to war with China.” But after that speech yesterday, there’s going to be a war with China. Just like there’s gonna be a war with Iran.

Quan: Absolutely. And with Russia.

Jeff: Well, it will have to be, because even if America says, “Well, we’re not involved, it’s just the Taiwanese,” although they now have 500 advisors, and now they want a thousand, which is a battalion, right? A thousand is a battalion? So, but it will be almost impossible to keep the DPRK and Russia out of it, because the United States is obviously going to enlist South Korea to get involved, Japan to get involved, the Philippines to get involved, Australia to get involved. Singapore has a U.S. military base, and they’re apparently very subservient to the American military. And so it will just end up being a world war. But I think that’s what they want.

I think this is the final frontier, you know?  This is the last chance for the United States to maintain its hegemony. And I don’t even know if Xi Jinping could convince Kim to not attack South Korea, because they have a mutual defense treaty. You know, China and they’ve had a mutual defense treaty since 1951. It was renewed in 2021. So, I don’t even know if Xi Jinping can hold back Kim. He would love to bomb Japan and send 1.2 million, you know, Marxist-Leninist soldiers across the 38th parallel and into South Korea.

It’s gonna be a clusterfuck. It is gonna be a clusterfuck. And then Russia has 12 kilometers of border with North Korea—not much, but road and a bridge, and you know, a train and all that, and also businesses. They have businesses all across on each other’s borders. And so how are they going to keep the DPRK out of it? And I’m here in Taiwan! And you’re in Changsha! You’re in Changsha. Although I am on the west coast of Taiwan, so they’ll be marching up my valley.

Amir: All right. You know, at least I’m not in Xiamen, Fujian or something.

Jeff: Yeah, Changsha is pretty well protected, I think.

Amir: Yeah.

Jeff: And it was just such psychological deflection. The whole speech was as if he was saying, “We want peace, and China wants war,” but it was a complete psychological deflection. What he really meant is, “We want war, and China wants peace.” So, we’ll have to see what happens. That’s why they want to get the hell out of Ukraine. They want to put all of their resources in the Pacific. And, of course, they will steal.

Amir: What’s their endgame, do you think? Oh, what is, I don’t know, Hegseth’s, what’s their endgame? Just blow shit up and slow China down and just turn it into Ukraine? Because beyond that, you’re not going to liberate Taiwan. What the fuck? I don’t know.

Quan: Yeah. But I suggest, Amir, that we can learn the answer from the horse’s mouth. If you read the two… did you read the two papers by the RAND Corporation? The paper of 2019 concerning Russia: Overextending and Unbalancing Russia. That’s the 2019 paper by the RAND Corporation. And you have a February 2025 paper on China, and the title is Thinking Through a Protracted War with China: Nice Scenarios. And we have a third paper by the think tank called Marathon Initiative, which is co-founded by Elbridge Colby, one of the most rabid China hawks, and it’s about precisely how to wage war on China previously. It’s called Strategic Sequencing and Division of Labor.

So, they are trying to play nice with Russia right now, as Jeff said very rightly, because they don’t want to lose the resources with Ukraine right now. But thanks, God, Vladimir Putin is bright enough not to fall into the trap for two reasons. The first reason is for Russia’s safety, of course, because they know perfectly that Russia will never have peace on her southwestern border as long as the denazification is not complete. And let’s be frank. Denazification, what does it mean exactly? It means the end of NATO, okay? There’s no possible denazification as long as NATO exists.

Amir: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

Quan: So he will never accept a lame ceasefire, because a lame ceasefire means that they would be back in a year, in two years, in three years. According to what I know, there might be 100,000 young Russians who have died in the last three years. After that big price, Vladimir Putin would never accept peanuts, because you know perfectly that Putin is not happy at all with the Russian population. He thinks that there are not enough Russians. And because of NATO, Russia lost 100,000 fine young men in the last three years. Never will he back down for peanuts. That’s what I’m sure of.

Jeff: And it’s not just the South… well, go ahead, go ahead.

Quan: Okay, so that’s for the Russian reason. But let’s not forget that right now, we have a deep, comprehensive strategic partnership of communication and of coordination between China and Russia, okay? Meaning that everything that China is doing, the Russians are informed. Everything that the Russians are doing, the Chinese are informed, and they coordinate their actions. It means that they know perfectly—and as Jeff rightly said—for the KFCAZEL, for the Kakistocratic Feudal Conglomerate Of The Anglo-Zio-American Establishment, this is the last window of opportunity. In five years, in 10 years maximum, China, Russia, and Iran together will be so powerful that it will be too late for them. So it’s clear that their maximum window of action is a maximum of 10 years, if not five years.

Jeff: Oh, no, it’s 2027. It’s 2027. They keep bringing up 2027. It’s actually 2027, not 10 years, in two years.

Amir: Two years, yeah.

Quan: Yes, I would say a window of opportunity, so I agree with you. It’s rather the small window than the big window. I said 10 years just to be intellectually open. But, frankly, I don’t believe too much in the 10-year window. It’s more a five-year window, and 2027 is exactly in the middle of that.

Jeff: It’s not just Southwest Russia. They were hit with drones in Murmansk, above the Arctic Circle, today.

Amir: Yeah.

Quan: Yeah.

Jeff: And then they have terrorist acts blowing up bridges with trains on them. I mean, Russia has just got to take over the entire damn Ukraine. That’s all; there’s no other solution. It will never, ever, ever be denazified. And it will never honor any damn thing it says, because Western countries have never honored any treaty that goes against their wishes. They lie, they cheat, they’re not trustworthy. It’s not just Ukraine, it’s the West. Nobody, you can’t trust them. So, they could sign an agreement with Zelenskyy tomorrow, and they would still keep sending thousands of drones across the border. It’s getting serious for Russia now. I mean, they are sending thousands of drones across the border now every week. So, I just don’t understand, you know, why they don’t pick up the pace a little and try to take more territory faster, because it’s just one village after another, you know, and every two or three days, a village. Well, at this rate, it’ll be the year 2200 when they finally get to the Polish border.

Quan: Absolutely.

Jeff: You know, and so I can’t imagine the Russians must be getting fed up with this stuff. I don’t know. It’s a mystery to me. I don’t expect them to do the Colin Powell, you know, scorched earth like what they did in Iraq. But they could pick up the pace a little. Of course, I think it is because they have lost 100,000 people, and I think they’re trying to limit the casualties on the Russian side and for the civilians in Ukraine at the same time. But it’s very, very frustrating. I get on SouthFront, what’s that called SouthFront? Yeah, SouthFront. I get on SouthFront every day and look at the map. It doesn’t change. And I’m going, “Come on!” But supposedly they’ve gotten 200 square kilometers, but I don’t know how far back that goes. But part of it’s the map scale, because Ukraine’s huge. It’s a huge country. I don’t know how many times… I think it’s even bigger than Texas or Alaska. It is a huge country. I’m sorry.

Quan: Yeah. Ukraine is 650,000 square kilometers.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, it’s huge. I mean, that’s 10 times the size of France.

Quan: Well, it’s a little bit bigger than metropolitan France.

Jeff: Oh, yeah, no, I’m thinking of the population, though. You’re right. Yeah, you’re right. It’s a little bigger than France.

Quan: Let’s say it’s about 20 times… Belgium is 30,000 square kilometers. So, it’s 24 times Belgium.

Jeff: Frans Vandenbroucke would love to hear that.

Quan: Yes. Well, it’s my small gift for the French. I like French culture.

Amir: Quan, what was that first article you mentioned, the 2019 RAND publication?

Quan: Yes, it’s called Overextending and Unbalancing Russia: Assessing the Impact of Cost-Imposing Options.

Amir: Okay, thank you.

Quan: So the idea is precisely of overextending and unbalancing Russia. But if we look at their… yeah, um, wow.

Amir: Oh, that makes sense.

Quan: But at the same time, they are a little bit hubristic, as usual, right? Between their wishful thinking in 2019 and six years later, meaning today, 2025, they did not manage to unbalance Russia that much. Of course, Russia had to react and lost 100,000 fine young men, that’s for sure. I’m not forgetting that. But they did not manage to unbalance Russia.

Jeff: In fact, they made them stronger, you know, with all the sanctions, it forced them to be self-reliant, like in North Korea, self-reliance, you know? Mao’s self-reliance. So they had to become self-reliant. Go ahead, Amir.

Amir: Yeah, like, Putin, he’s not a young guy, I mean, you just keep this going for another five years and hope he croaks and you get another Yeltsin? I don’t know anything to that. I mean, what happens if Putin, you know… Yeah, he’s like 80 now or something?

Quan: 72, 72, 72.

Jeff: About the same age as Xi Jinping. I just turned 71, so it’s not this day.

Amir: Oh, okay, no, I thought he was much older. Oh, okay.

Jeff: No, he’s only 71.

Quan: Yeah, but what I’m hoping is that he’s preparing his successors, because I’m sure he would be capable to run for the next 10 years. The same for Xi Jinping. And the next 10 years are the critical years for the history of mankind. I know that I sound a little bit bombastic, but it’s true at the same time, okay? The next 10 years are absolutely vital for the rest of mankind and for the succession of history. So, and thanks, God—well, I have a little bit of a speech of destiny here—it’s a true miracle that those two men exist at the same time right now.

Jeff: That’s for sure.

Amir: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: And well, yeah, we can also throw in Kim and North Korea, and the leadership in Iran is very sober. And they lost their president, Raisi. The new guy seems a little bit wishy-washy to me, a little bit weak.

Quan: You mean Pezeshkian?

Jeff: Yeah, he seems a little soft for me. I thought Raisi had much more… He came across as more authoritative, not authoritarian, but more authoritative. But they’re hanging in there. So for all the fans out there, if you want to make money in the stock market, buy military stock, you’re gonna make a fortune, because they’re making so many bombs and rockets and planes and missiles and… NATO, my God, you’ll be rich.

Amir: Now we move on to the portfolio advisory stage of our meeting.

Jeff: So what else is left? We’ve gone for an hour and 20 minutes.

Quan: Good conversation, very rousing, very interesting.

Jeff: Anything else?

Quan: Maybe just mention, because not everyone is aware of that, that China now has her complete domestic production for microprocessors, because the new Huawei is powered by a 5-nanometer chip, completely made by China, called the X90, and Xiaomi, a smaller company than Huawei, also produced the XR01 chip, which is completely domestically produced. And China sent a constellation of supercomputers into space just recently.

Jeff: Yeah, into space, yeah, yeah. And they will communicate by lasers.

Quan: Yeah.

Jeff: That’s pretty amazing.

Quan: Yes. Yes, exactly. Also, we know that the grail of energy production is, of course, fusion, okay? But we don’t know when fusion will happen for real. Will it be in 10 years, in 30 years, in 300 years? Question mark. But before that first choice, there is a second good choice, which is thorium reactors. And I would like to mention for those who are not aware of it, because not everyone is aware of it, that China discovered enough thorium in mainland China for enough energy for the next 40,000 years.

Jeff: And you know what’s crazy about that is that that was actually… thorium reactors were actually developed by France. And they were the ones that were doing it because France is very, very… well, they were very, very good in nuclear. Now it’s been completely bastardized. Only two-thirds of the reactors are even running now. But then, because of austerity, because of budget cuts, because the nuclear is state-owned—it is state-owned in France, thank God, and controlled by the government—and because of budget cuts, they shelved it for the next 50 years or something. They said, “We’ll come back to this in 50 years.” Who else? China got a copy of the blueprints and they did it. And so it’s just so short-sighted in the West. And China plugged away at it and plugged away at it and plugged away at it and got it done. And it’s an amazing energy source.

Quan: And it also shows to what extent the supposed war for oil is just an excuse, okay? We know perfectly that the U.S. doesn’t need the oil of the Middle East at all. It’s strictly for geopolitical purposes and to be a pain in the ass for the other nations on Earth. So, all the excuses that “we have to secure our procurement of energy or of commodities or stuff like that”—it’s BS, okay? Because it’s the Rumsfeld-Cebrowski Doctrine. I’m sorry for the people listening to me for not the first time; I always come back to the Rumsfeld-Cebrowski Doctrine because it’s the name of U.S. foreign policy. In plain words, it’s to be a pain in the ass for the other nations.

Jeff: Well, they’re doing a good job at that.

Quan: Yes, yes. Yes!

Amir: But there is kind of, right, like, the U.S. war machine does run on oil. And they cannot transition. I mean, I just think they can’t transition to thorium or even natural gas or anything because there’s too much politics, there are too many grifters. What do you think of that?

Quan: Yes, but I think that you nailed the topic. There are too many grifters who want to maintain that dominance in a specific sector of energy or of the economy, which is backward technologically speaking, but they prefer people to stay backward rather than to lose the monopoly.

Amir: Yeah.

Quan: And that’s the problem, okay? And the so-called Chinese “tyranny” is capable of removing those, yeah, those private interests, because it is better for the people to get the new technology rather than to stay in the backward technology just for small interests.

Jeff: Well, another reason is that in China, all the utilities are people-owned. That helps. They, unfortunately, in France—because of the European Treaty in 2007—everything has to be privatized. Everything has to be privatized. So now France’s nuclear now has private interests who are plugged into it, sucking on the tit, making money for the CEOs and the stock market and all that. So, when you privatize public utilities, you give away the family jewels. And that’s what’s happened in the West, and that has not happened in China. And it hasn’t happened here either. Everything in Taiwan Province is… All the utilities are publicly owned, every one of them, you know. And, my water bill… well, here it is, I just got it. I just got my water bill today. Our water bill is 100 TWD. It’s $2.85 a month for water.

Amir: Incredible.

Jeff: So, that’s public utilities for you.

Quan: Yeah. Yeah. And I cannot resist to say that what the West calls an autocracy is a government capable of preventing the rise of a financial oligarchy.

Jeff: And who is the financial oligarchy?

Quan: Wow. The KFCAZEL, Jeff, the Kakistocratic Feudal Conglomerate of the Anglo-Zio-American Establishment.

Jeff: Or in shorter words, the City of London.

Quan: Yes, the City of London, and yeah, in short, yes.

Jeff: Well, listen, guys, this has been a great talk. Are there any other final comments? Any final comments, gentlemen? We’ve gone an hour and a half. I think, we’ve had a wonderful discussion. Anything for you, Amir?

Amir: No, I’m good. Yeah, I agree, it was a good discussion.

Jeff: I really feel terrible about Eric, because he’s in Russia. Well, no, he said he was back in Thailand. I don’t know what the hell happened. He was supposed to stay there until September. I’ll have to find out what’s going on. But he obviously left Russia in a hurry, so I have no idea what’s going on. I feel terrible about what happened to his sound and that he couldn’t participate, because he’s got a lot of great ideas. All right, guys, this is Jeff J. Brown, China Writers’ Group, Roundtable Number 5, and we have had Amir Khan, a China Writers’ Group member in Changsha, Hunan, China, and Dr. Quan Le in Montreal, Canada, one of the greatest cities in the world except in January and February.

They have the underground city, so it’s okay. Montreal is just a dream city. Anyway, I’m in Taiwan Province. And I wake up in the morning, and I look… I can get up on my roof and look to the coast and see where the Chinese army is going to be coming on the coast, coming up our valley. And I’ve got my little desktop, you know, PRC flag I can wave to them and talk to them in Chinese. So, we’re waiting anytime! All right, guys, thank you very much. And I’ll get this up as fast as I can and let you all know about it, okay?

Amir: Okay, Jeff, see you next time.

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