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Garland Nixon: Hello, Garland Nixon here with Jeff J. Brown. He’s living from Taiwan. We’re going to talk about Secretary Pete Hegseth as a representative of the US government threatening an imminent war with China. Let’s talk. Hello, Garland Nixon here. Let me see if I can find it. Here’s an article. So, Secretary Pete Hegseth apparently did this video. I will share the link. That didn’t work. So who the hell wants to buy that damn thing if I can possibly get this off? Oh, there we go. Okay. “Pentagon chief warns of imminent China threat, asks Asian allies to become Ukraine 2.0.”

That’s what that means. The thing about it is they’re like, “Okay, all right. We want you to be completely destroyed in a war against China. But most importantly, we want you to pay us for the privilege.” You gotta love that. “We want you to buy lots of stuff from us.” “Oh, really? What are we going to do with that stuff?” “You’re going to be destroyed in a war with China, but thanks for the money.” I mean, it’s really unbelievable to watch. “Look in defense forum debut, Hegseth calls for Asian allies to step up.”

Well, that ain’t all he said. “Speech could cause consternation amongst allies.” Consternation. When you say we want a war between nuclear powers, and you bastards are going to be the ones on the front line dying, I could imagine “consternation” is one word that comes to mind. I could think of others. Anyway, Jeff J. Brown he’s with the China Rising Radio Sinoland, amongst many other things. Jeff, before we get started, tell people where they can find you online and what you’re involved in.

Jeff J. Brown: Well, it’s just Radio Sinoland, https://radiosinoland.com. And then Seek Truth From Facts Foundation, or https://seektruthfromfacts.org, is my foundation that I’m the founder of. And that covers it. The Seek Truth From Facts Foundation has the China Writers’ Group, which is on Substack (https://jeffjbrown.substack.com/). So it’s not hard to find me. Yeah, I watched his speech. China boycotted it, which I thought was quite interesting. They weren’t there. The defense minister of China was not there for the first time in years.

I think it’s probably because they got an advanced copy of Hegseth’s speech (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9hYTP3J2yE), It sounded like the preamule to a declaration of war. They were not going to sit there and be humiliated.  In front of their colleagues, they did have representation; they sent some staff and students from the Singapore Military University. But it was quite interesting. He did some things… You remember, he’s talking to warriors, and he even used the word “warrior” several times like a real, great Aryan.

He used the warrior ethic. So we have to keep in mind that he is talking to generals and colonels and defense ministers, etc. I have to give him credit, he always combined “communist” and “China” together. He rarely said “China” by itself. It was always “Communist China,” and that was actually very effective, I have to say, because countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines, ROK (Republic of Korea, South Korea), Japan, Australia, and Thailand are all anti-communist. So that was actually a very smart move. But it was really interesting because it was all inverted.

He was talking about peace through strength, and he kept talking about deterrence and resilience and all this. But he was saying it as if it was China’s fault, when it was actually reflective psychology. He was actually talking about what America wants to do, because I can guarantee you, Garland, China will go out of its way to avoid a hot war with anybody. They do not want war at all. The war-mongering is coming from the West. And it’s not just the United States, I mean, France, Germany, Holland, Italy, Australia, and New Zealand have all sent ships through the South China Sea to confront China.

So it really is NATO; it really is a sort of unofficial NATO operation. I have gone back and forth for years: war, not war; the US will pull the trigger, the US won’t pull the trigger. But after hearing his speech yesterday and seeing what’s going on in Ukraine, I think they are. And they keep talking about 2027. The Americans keep talking about China going to attack Taiwan by 2027. Of course, it’s not going to be China. It’s going to be a false flag of some kind, like a Gulf of Tonkin type thing that would blame China. They could set off a bomb on a destroyer or a frigate on American destroyer or frigate and say that a Chinese missile hit it destroyer or frigate, and they’ll blame China. Of course, they own the media, so the whole world will believe that it is China, even though it isn’t.

But, Garland, what’s so scary about this scenario is that China and North Korea have had a mutual defense treaty since 1961. And it was just renewed in 2021. And now Russia has a defense treaty with North Korea. And of course, the North Koreans went and kicked the Ukrainians, you know, in the Kursk in southwestern Russia. China and Russia do not have a mutual defense treaty, so it’s an open triangle. But if there’s any hot conflict involving Taiwan, even if America tries to officially say we’re not involved, just like they’re doing with Ukraine, even though there are hundreds, if not thousands, of NATO troops in Ukraine.

And there are already 500 American Green Berets in Taiwan. And they want a thousand, just like Vietnam, exactly the same as Vietnam back before Kennedy got elected. But how they can pull this off and not keep DPRK, North Korea, out of this, I don’t know how they can do it. And of course, the United States is going to be there. They’ve been stocking arms and weapons in South Korea and Japan, and the Philippines for the last several years to act as aircraft carriers all along the first island, the first line of islands, facing China.

So Japan’s going to get involved. North Korea is going to get involved. The Philippines is going to get involved. Australia will always get involved. They’ll get involved with anything, any war that the United States does. Australia just loves to play a part. So it’s looking like a kind of world war. And at that point, if South Korea attacks North Korea, well, now Russia is going to have to protect North Korea because of their defense treaty, and they’re going to be highly motivated to do so because the North Koreans lost blood in Kursk.

Garland: Well, keep in mind that their border. But here’s my argument. I don’t think it’s an accident. I don’t think that it’s a happen stand that Russia signed that deal with North Korea for this reason. I think Russia didn’t want to sign one with China because that would create the Warsaw Pact versus NATO, part two. And they really didn’t want to show that because they knew this is what the West wants. “Oh, look at this big block. Now we have to build up.” Right? So they didn’t want to do that. But by extension, as you said, hey, North Korea is the linchpin. If you attack Russia, North Korea is in. If you attack North Korea, China’s in. If you attack China, North Korea is in.

If you attack North Korea, Russia’s in. So it’s now the linchpin that says if you go after Russia or you go after China, or you go after North Korea, you’ve got to fight all three. And of course, Russia seems to be arming North Korea to the absolute teeth as a deterrent, which is very, very wise. Right? So they’re creating a very powerful deterrent. So the US and its allies have to look at it and say, “Man, do we really want to fight Russia and China?” You know what I mean? They can put a hurt on all of us in a hurry, right? Here’s the other part, I think that has to be taken into account. The US and NATO overall are getting weaker on all fronts, dramatically weaker.

Politically, internally, the US is not doing well politically. Internally, Europe is falling apart. Look what just happened in Poland: an anti-EU, anti-NATO guy. I’m not saying he’s the greatest of anything. I’m just saying that is not the guy that NATO and the EU wanted to win in Poland. And that’s just the start of it. Look what happened in France. Now, France has internal instability. So the NATO allies/vassals are becoming unstable. Keir Starmer’s grip on power is tenuous, to be kind to him, to be charitable. So, as they’re like, “Hey, 2027 is coming, and that’s when we’ll fight China,” politically, we’ll be much weaker. Politically, our allies will be much weaker.

Militarily, our allies have nothing right now. Zero. And they do not have the political capital to say to their people, “Hey, let’s go to war.” They’ll cut their heads off. You know what I mean? Starmer, Macron, if they say to those people, “Hey, I’m dragging you to war against Russia and China,” they’ll cut their stinking heads off. You know what I mean? So there are two parts to it. There’s a desire amongst the ruling elites to take action, but I’m not so sure they have the political and kinetic capacity to do that. Your thoughts?

Jeff: Yeah. The cynical aspect is that, as we have seen in Korea and Vietnam and Afghanistan and elsewhere, the United States doesn’t have to win a war. They just have to have forever wars because of all of the trillions and trillions of dollars and contracts and corruption, and payola. Remember the photographs of the big transport airplanes in Afghanistan with the pallets, with $1 million in hundred-dollar bills on each one of the pallets, going to Afghanistan? That’s just a drop in the bucket. So all the juice that comes out of these wars is enriching Nancy Pelosi. It’s enriching, Lindsey Graham. It’s enriching Democrats. It’s enriching Republicans. It’s enriching Trump and his billionaire cabinet. What are they, 11 billionaires in his cabinet? It’s enriching Wall Street. It’s enriching the City of London. So there’s also that cynical aspect that if they can just drag it out like they’re doing in Russia with Ukraine, that’s almost considered a victory.

Garland: Let me throw this. One of the things that’s interesting about that perspective, and I’m glad we’re having this great conversation. But the shelves ain’t empty and the bodies ain’t coming home. See, one of the things that has allowed them to do things like in Afghanistan is that the American people can say, “Yeah, war is fine. It doesn’t bother me.” You know what I mean? “War is fine. Yeah, I can still go to the store and buy anything I want to. My son goes in and he spends 20 years in the military, and he comes home and he’s got a retirement, and then he gets another job over here.” Right?

“Yeah, it’s a war. I mean, come on, I don’t really… I see on TV that something happened, and we bombed somebody or something.” What happens? We’ve got problems. Everything’s shut down, I can’t get gas, and it’s $23 a gallon. Our economy has collapsed. We’ve lost 20,000 soldiers in two days. You know what I mean? And on and on and on. This is the real deal. And now if that happens, they’re going to have to say, “Oh, yeah, well, we’re going to draft and we’re sending all the rest of your sons over to die.” You know what I mean? There’s a difference between the ability to play with Afghanistan and Libya, and then you’re getting into the big game.

In fact, I would argue this: they’re learning that in Ukraine. They got there in a leg-hold trap right now. They can’t get out of that. And they’re threatening Iran, but realists are saying Iran’s too powerful. We really don’t need to start throwing rocks at Iran because they can put some hurt on us. But that’s nothing compared to fighting Russia, China, and North Korea. You know what I mean? So that’s the other side of it. I am going to put like this: You ain’t going against Russia, China, North Korea, and whoever else aligns with them, and that ain’t going to be a forever war. You’re not going to go fight that one for the next 20 years.

Jeff: Yeah, that’s for sure. I think that although Trump is saying he wants to get out of Ukraine, I won’t use the man’s name, but he’s a very well-known New York Times number one best-selling author. And he talked to a high-ranking, four- or five-star general at the Pentagon. And that general said there are three levels of command in the Pentagon, three levels of generals. And they don’t listen to the White House. They don’t do… Trump or Biden or Clinton or Bush or any of them can talk all they want and say everything they want, but the arms are still going to get shipped because they’re just going to do it.

And nobody’s going to stop them. And so I think that the United States may publicly pull out of Ukraine, but just recently, Trump had said, what was it? How many billions of dollars’ worth of arms to Ukraine? And so I think what they want to do is… and I think maybe also all this lunacy with Ukraine, with drones in the Arctic Circle and drones in central Siberia and places like that… I really think they do want to keep Russia hunkered down in Ukraine for as long as possible, so that when a war starts in Asia, then Russia would have two fronts and not just one, and they would really be stretched at that point.

And so I think they want to keep Zelensky as the perfect stooge for it. He’s the perfect actor for it, and he does his job beautifully. And so, Garland, the West has been warmongering. I’ve been thinking about this more and more. The West has been warmongering for 3,000 years. We are the most war-mongering civilization in the history of humanity, especially compared to China, the Asian countries. Yeah, the Aztecs and the Incas had some fights, and there were battles and fights in Africa, and North American Indians would play war games and things like that. But nobody compares to the West.

I mean, Europe has been at nonstop war for 2,000 years. And it’s what we do. It is what we do. And I think it’s largely driven by usury. War needs money. You’ve got to borrow money to buy the guns and the equipment and the uniforms and the food and everything else. And usury drives it. And then the usurers play both sides.  They’re lending to both sides. They’re not patriotic. I think a lot of it is driven by usury, and it goes back to the ancient Greeks. So I really think that they will somehow trigger a war.

As insane as we know it is. I think there is a reasonable chance that by 2027, because they always announce it, they’ll do a Gulf of Tonkin, they’ll do something like that. They’ll blame China, and they will start. It may start off slowly, but as you said, with China… China is not going to screw around. I mean, if it’s a perceived hot war, they’re going to go Mao Zedong on him. And that’s what Mao did to MacArthur in Korea, what Mao did to the Indians in 1962. They do the Colin Powell technique. It’s just overwhelming force like you did in Iraq.

Garland: Self-defense and martial arts. You know what I mean? You avoid a conflict, but if you have to get involved in a conflict, you give your enemy everything you’ve got. You try to take him out immediately, as quickly as possible. You start throwing punches, and you don’t stop throwing punches and kicks until that person can’t do anything to you. So I mean, that is a cultural. I think, though, there are two things here. And that is because, look, let me see if I can remember from my old days of teaching. In order for a crime to happen, you have to have three things. Let me see if I can remember them.

It is: you have to have the desire to commit the crime, you have to have the ability to commit the crime, and you have to have the opportunity. Wow, I remember I used to teach this stuff. Right? Desire, ability, opportunity in order for a crime… and if you can stop any of those three things… Well, the desire you can’t, but the ability and the opportunity, possibly. You know, if I can’t get my hands on a weapon, I can’t rob you with a weapon. You know what I mean? Or the opportunity. Hey, my defense instructor used to always say, “They can’t hit you if you ain’t there.” Right? So if you see trouble, the first thing you can do is get the hell out. You don’t have to block a punch if you’re in another county.

But the ability… right now, I think the US has really trapped itself. I think the US is trapped in Ukraine. I think it’s also trapped in the Middle East. I think it’s kind of trapped in this lock with Iran, where it’s threatening Iran, but if it punches Iran, it’s going to take a bloody nose and eyes, and teeth knocked out, and everything else. So it’s trapped. It’s trapping itself. I think they do want a war with China because they’re lunatic, warmongering, knuckle-dragging monsters. But I don’t think you can underestimate the jams that they have gotten themselves in Ukraine and Gaza and threats, etc., and not to mention…

Jeff: Oh, Yemen has kicked their asses.

Garland: Yeah. You can’t underestimate the jams that they have gotten themselves into in the Middle East and in Eastern Europe, and the economic problems, and how that’s going to affect us at home. Your thoughts?

Jeff: Well, of course, I don’t want war. I mean, we’re on the west coast of Taiwan. I’m 35 kilometers from the coast. And although I’m not too worried about it—I mean, if there was an invasion, I speak Chinese. My partner and I have an LLC company in Shenzhen. We can show them our business license when the PLA knocks on the door. We’ll have our little desktop PRC flag to wave when they knock on the door. But what really worries me is that we have really good Taiwanese friends, and I feel terrible for them because too many Taiwanese are really hanging on to the United States, thinking that the United States is going to come in and be Superman and save them. And I don’t think they realize that they’re going to be euthanized. They’re going to do the same thing to the Taiwanese as they have done to the Ukrainians. And the difference is…

Garland: And the Kurds and everybody else.

Jeff: And the difference is, 8 or 10 million Ukrainians fled to Europe. Taiwan’s an island. They can’t go anywhere. They’re stuck here. So we have friends. In fact, one of our good friends was a paratrooper for 11 years in the military. She’ll be called up for reserves. And so I feel terrible for them because they don’t deserve it. And unfortunately, the DPP, the party that is in the executive right now, is a US tool. It is funded and managed, and guided by the United States. And they are really pushing the envelope as far as testing China’s resolve, etc.

And it would be the party that would do something stupid like declare independence, not the KMT, which was in power for decades. So it’s just depressing for me for that to happen. And all I can tell everybody, Garland, everybody else, is you know what I’m going to order now, after hearing Pete Hegseth’s speech two days ago? I’m going to go and order some iodine tablets to take if there’s a nuclear war, because it could happen. It could really, really happen.

And North Korea’s nuclear, America’s nuclear, there are likely American nuclear weapons in Australia, and there are likely nuclear weapons in South Korea. China’s nuclear, Russia’s nuclear. This would be the closest that humanity has come to having a potential… And then there’s the nutjobs in the Jewish state who could bomb Iran with nuclear weapons. They wouldn’t hesitate to do that either, if they felt like they were threatened. So it’s kind of a tough… It’s really a disturbing time, more than any time in my professional career as a journalist and an author, going back 15 years. I mean, when you compare this with even Iraq, that was a cakewalk compared to what the world is being, I think, pushed into.

Garland: Well, let me say this, and your comments on this. I think what we’re viewing, what we’re looking at, what is causing the impetus for this disastrous US turn in foreign policy, is the disintegration, the degradation of the US empire, that the empire is falling apart. It’s falling apart internally in that the lives of American people, their daily lives, and their ability to feed their families and survive are deteriorating. So the people are unhappy internally. This neoliberal system is being exposed, and it’s running the course that it would always… the idea that you’re just going to say, “Hey, what you’re gonna do?

We’re going to cut all regulations on the rich and just let them do whatever they want and cut taxes on them and increase the economic burden on the working class.” Well, it’s pretty obvious that this is the way that would turn out. So you have an empire that’s falling apart as a result of its own policies and becoming desperate. And it started by eating Europe. I mean, let’s face it, the US empire started… what are we going to do? Well, we’ll eat Europe first, and we’ll do that to stay alive. And which means Europe falls to pieces first. But after you get finished eating Europe, there ain’t a whole lot left. You’re running out of vassals to eat. And I think that’s part of what’s driving all of this. The country’s falling apart economically. Within a year or two, things could go at any given time.

Jeff: That’s another thing that concerns me. I’m seeing what’s going on, and I’m thinking this is like Rome in 411 A.D., when Western Rome collapsed, or Rome in… what was it, 15… the Holy Roman Empire collapsed, and the Ottomans took over. And everybody’s deluded, and everybody is completely out of touch with reality. And all they’re trying to do is stay in power, and things are falling apart, and people are just trying to hang on and grab what they can, through the corruption and everything else.

And so that’s another reason that makes me think they might try to do something before 2027, because this is the Hail Mary to save global capitalism. And capitalism cannot survive without war. Marx said it, Lenin said it, Stalin said it, Mao said it, and Kim said it. Ho said it. They all said it. Castro said it. Capitalism cannot survive without war. And of course, capitalism is nothing more than feudalism with electricity and steam. That’s all it is. And so I’m just worried that that mentality that you’re talking about, things are getting so bad.

And, Garland, it’s not just the United States. I’m binational. I have a French passport, too. I’m French and American. France is being gutted. England’s being gutted. They’re canceling social programs left and right. They’re flooding Europe with millions and millions of immigrants from Africa and the Middle East. And it’s being done intentionally to weaken society and put a burden on the socialist safety net, saying, “Well, we’ve got all these immigrants now, we have to cut all these programs out because we can’t afford it anymore.” And so I just feel like that maybe this is sort of the end of times.

Garland: Let me ask you this.

Jeff: Go ahead.

Garland: Well, you know, I’m like this. I got a feeling we’re going to make it through, but who knows? Well, the truth of this is none of us is going to make it, but so far. So the question is, will there be somebody to make it afterwards? I feel like yes, but I’m a person who has that kind of a positive attitude. But here’s the question that I think is important and salient in the context of this conversation, quite salient. The US is up against something right now in that they’re, as they say on the street, selling wolf tickets to Iran. I think they got themselves in a jam because they’re saying to Iran, “You better do what we want. You better do everything that we want, or else we’ll attack you.” And Iran’s saying, “Nah, we ain’t doing that. No.” Right? “No. The answer is no.”

And the US is, “Well, we’re going to have even more stringent demands, and you better do them all or it’s going to go bad. We’re going to attack you.” And Iran said, “Well, if you’re going to attack me, you’re going to attack me. I mean, ain’t nothing I can do about that, but it ain’t going to be good for you. We’re just saying the answer is no.” Okay. Meanwhile, those of us who understand reality say, “Well, Iran’s pretty strong.” You attack Iran, number one, they’re closing the Straits of Hormuz. And all this business in America about, “Yeah, there’s a war over there, but we don’t have to struggle with it or deal with it”… You have to deal with it. Your economy is going to go… I mean, things aren’t good for our economy now. This will mean collapse.

If we attack Iran, they’re going to close the Straits of Hormuz, and our economy is going to collapse. Most of the Western economy will collapse. And if we keep pushing and do something crazy, “Oh, we’re going to fire nuclear weapons against Iran,” Iran at that point is going to wipe out all of the oil infrastructure. So, before all this talk of “We’re going to fight the dragon,” is one thing. You can’t fight the dragon if you get eaten by the tiger first. You know what I mean? “As soon as I get finished with this tiger, then I’m going to fight the dragon. Oh, by the way, I’m skirmishing with the bear, too.” So even to get to China, I think the United States has itself backed into some pretty nasty corners with some decisions that have to be made where it ain’t going to be in a position to fight anybody. You know what I am saying? Go ahead.

Jeff: Well, you know, we Westerners and especially Americans are famous for their hubris and their arrogance and their sense of superiority. Believe me, having lived in Asia now for 17 years, it’s very race-based. It’s very Sinophobia, Slavophobia against Russians. Yellow people, Slavic people, slant-eyed people. It is really grounded in racism. And we saw it in the Korean War, we saw it in the Vietnam War, and what they did in Laos and Cambodia was just heinous. Just based on that alone, they may try to do something. I feel like they’re deluded. They’re absolutely deluded. I think they believe their own stories. I can just imagine the last emperor of Rome going through the same mental process. “Yes, but we are Rome. We are great. We can do it. We can fight them. We can beat them. We can win. Look at us.” And I think that just out of complete hubris and arrogance and racism, they may try to do it.

Garland: And so you think they’ll attack Iran?

Jeff: Well, to be honest with you, I don’t think the United States will attack Iran. But I think, as my friend Quan Le says, the United States of Israel… I think the United States of Israel would be… is the one… Trump will let Israel go after Iran.

Garland: Well, now, recently, Israel made an unsuccessful attempt to attack Iran. They sent up to 100 planes. They couldn’t get within 100 kilometers of Iran’s border because they were all painted with radar. They fired some missiles and got the hell out of there, and the missiles were almost all shot down. So again, the capacity, the ability to commit the crime. Right now, Iran has a very significant integrated air defense system and electronic warfare system, which has been significantly strengthened by Russia over the course of the last year, at a minimum.

So that’s the other thing. Yes, Israel. “Okay, we’re going to try, we’re going to give it another shot.” And they go there, and the last one didn’t work that well. So again now, and we know Israel cannot attack Iran. It’s so far away. They need the refueling capacities, they need the space-based targeting, and all that. So any attack on Iran is an attack by the US, and Iranians know that. But so you think the Israelis will make a second attempt? It didn’t work out so well for them the last time they made an attempt.

Jeff: Don’t they have surface-to-surface missiles?

Garland: Yeah, they do, they do. But considerably fewer and less effective than Iran. And again, they fired up a lot of air-to-surface missiles against Iran last time, and they shot them all down.

Jeff: There’s also that story that Pepe Escobar swore by, maybe not a year ago, that after the tit-for-tat, when they killed the guy who was visiting, it wasn’t Soleimani, it was another guy.

Garland: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: Yeah, they killed him in Iran. It was an Iraqi. And so Iran launched a light slap on Israel. And supposedly, Pepe talked to three different people, and he swears by this story; these were all intelligence people. And he said that Israel launched an F-35 with electromagnetic weapons on it. And the goal was to get over Tehran because, like you said, they have to refuel. But they would get over Tehran, do the electromagnetic repulsion, and wipe out all of their mobile phones and all of their electronic communication. And the story is, as soon as that F-35 got out of Jordanian airspace, the Russians shot it down.

Garland: I’ve heard that. I remember the story, and I also heard people say it wasn’t good. So we don’t know. But we do know that the Iranians have significant air defense capabilities, and it’s not going to be any walk in the park for anybody to attack them significantly. So that’s the thing about it. It’s a big decision because the US could say, “We’re going to attack Iran,” and get the daylights knocked out of them. And now what do they do? “We attacked Iran and Iran flattened your bases, sunk some ships, shot down your airplane, shot down most of your missiles. Oh, boy. We attacked Iran, and it wasn’t as effective as we thought it would be.” And now, what do you do? Just go home? Or do you say, “Well, then we’re going to double down”? And now you’re in a war with Iran, and you can’t beat Yemen.

Jeff: Yeah.

Garland: Do you really want… You’ve already set the stage that if you go after Iran, you will probably go into that region. They are a regional power. You’re probably not even going to win it. I don’t believe… I’ll say one other thing. Personally, I don’t believe Trump will pull the trigger on it. I may be wrong. It’s my opinion. I don’t think he’ll pull the trigger on Iran.

Jeff: I don’t think so. I think you would delegate that to Israel. But I think it’s interesting to consider that as a backup for Iran, since Russia and Iran are both members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and BRICS, and they just signed a 25-year strategic cooperation agreement, that Russia may not announcing it, but they may help Iran if Israel would be crazy enough to try to take out Iran’s nuclear facilities. But all this is happening… India and…

Garland: Pakistan.

Jeff: And Pakistan. And everything I’ve read is that India decisively lost in spite of the massive, massive propaganda campaign in the West, and that Pakistan, with its integrated Chinese system, gave India a whipping. And I saw something very interesting that the reason India is doing this at the behest of their European and American masters is because Israel is scared to death that Pakistan would join Iran and fight on the side of Iran if Iran got attacked.

Garland: Well, I see, I have a different perspective. I think that, as an example, Pakistan, the US government overthrew Imran Khan’s government.

Jeff: Yeah.

Garland: They inserted a guy who literally was living in the suburbs of London. Number one. Number two, Pakistan doesn’t have a government anyway; it’s run by the military. We found out that if you remember, right after it happened, as soon as it happened, the Pakistani defense minister came out and said, “Yeah, we’ve been doing the dirty work for the West for a long time,” remember? And so my feelings were the opposite. I feel like Russia decisively took the side of India.

Jeff: Well, it has to be. They’ve sold them arms for 50 years.

Garland: And amongst other things, let’s face it, India is buying no shortage of Russian fuel, repackaging it, stamping “Made in India” on it, and sending it all to the West. But my point is, I think Pakistan has a history of being a British-US vassal. And the Brits and the US overthrew the government and installed the current government. I think, although here’s the problem, the Indians had those Rafale jets and some of that Western crap that just doesn’t work. They had some of the… You don’t want to buy Western weapons now. I don’t know if people have been paying attention to the last couple of years, but that stuff just does not work at all. It costs a lot, and it has great names. But the Patriot, the THAAD, they got all these powerful-sounding names, but that stuff doesn’t work.

Jeff: Well, in all fairness to Rafale, the difference is that Pakistan’s was completely integrated. Everything—all the communication, the artificial intelligence, all of the electronics, all of the communication between the missiles and the jets and the ground forces and everything—was all completely integrated with the same kind of Chinese arms. Whereas India, it was… they bought Russian, and they bought French, and they bought American. And it’s completely… It’s like a bowl of spaghetti. And so they’re not connected.

Garland: It’s like when I used to DJ, one guy would say… I knew a lot of people who did this, and I did it. If you’re going to buy a system, if it’s Peavey, get Peavey amps, Peavey speakers, Peavey this, Peavey that. If you’re going to get QSC, get all QSC. It all sounds better if it’s all the same system. Right? Again, a perfect example, Iran. Now, a lot of Iran’s stuff is knockoff Russian anyway. And then they got a lot of Russian stuff, and they got a lot of knockoff Russian stuff. But Russia came in and they’re building an integrated air defense with electronic warfare, satellites, all of the above. So again, what’s going to make Iran so difficult is the exact same thing you’re saying about Pakistan.

That is a net-centric integrated air defense, which is really hard to get through. To get through because it sees when you launch from wherever, and you launch from wherever, they know you’re coming. And that net-centric air defense has every… at the earliest possible point. So it’s going to be difficult. Let me ask you this. One of the things that I thought about from your perspective, and this is coming up, in order for the US to make missiles and bombs and even cars and stuff, they need certain rare earth magnets that they get from China in large quantities. They need certain things from China.

And when Trump did the tariff stuff, China said, “Okay, we won’t sell you that stuff.” Right? Okay. Now the US is saying, “Okay, we’re going to block Huawei chips and things like that.” If I’m China, I’ll throw this at you. I’d say, “You’re threatening to fight me, and you need all this stuff to build missiles to fight me. I’m telling you, none of it. Under no circumstances.” That’s me. I’d say, “You want to build missiles, and you’re doing speeches saying you’ve got to go to war with me. And you expect me to sell you the things you need to build the stuff to shoot back at me? Not happening.” Your thoughts on that and how China is…

Jeff: Well, it is true. China does control the vast majority of rare earth minerals. Not only the crude minerals, but China also totally dominates global processing because you get the rock out of the ground, but it has to go through a quite complicated system to get the refined mineral that you need for electronics, for missiles, for cars, for airplanes, and for everything else, telephones, everything else. So, even if… because I’ve thought about this and I thought, “Well, people are greedy and they could buy China’s rare earths and then resell them to the United States,” but they’re not processed.

Garland: Not only that, China has said now… they had, because as soon as the thing started, China said specifically, “You have to get a license from China in order to buy these things. And part of the license is that you have to agree not to sell it to the US. And if we find out that you are selling it to the US, you lose your license. You can’t buy it anymore.” So they addressed that part too.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah. They even mention it, the generals, in front of Senate committees and House committees, saying, “We are totally dependent on the Chinese for these minerals,” but they keep ramping up the imminent threat. And “Communist China is destabilizing this, destabilizing that.” I don’t know if they have a massive stock of this stuff. I mean, have they been over the years buying a lot more than they need?

Because there was a time when China was just allowing it to be exported, and it wasn’t until a couple of years ago that they really started tightening down on it. So, it is curious because they know it, the Americans know it, that they need these. They know the Chinese aren’t going to sell them to them, yet they keep ramping up the threats. And so I don’t know how that’s going to shake out. Are there some allies that have some of these processes already in place? I don’t know, maybe Canada or Europe? I have no idea.

Garland: I think China is 90 to 95% of the world’s processing for these. Yeah. So it ain’t going to do good if you got a hundred tons of earth and you got to get ten ounces of rare earth minerals out of it, and you don’t have the capacity to do that, and China does. But what we’ve seen in Russia, too, is industrial warfare. And that is, you have to be able to continually produce stuff. If you’re going to go to war, you’ve got to have an industry that can support it. And again, the US doesn’t have the industries to support it. And we’re like 7,000 miles from home. Let’s just say that one won’t last long.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah. Russia’s also shown that to be true with the way they have been able to ramp up the manufacturing of missiles and artillery shells, and jets, and everything else. That’s one of the advantages of countries like Russia and DPRK and Vietnam and China, and Iran is that when the vast majority of the defense industry is state-owned, you can really focus the industry on what you want. Whereas when you’ve got McDonnell Douglas and you’ve got Raytheon and you’ve got Boeing and all of these other crooks, just absolute thieves, fighting each other for contracts, it makes it much, much more difficult to ramp up production.

Garland: So you’re in Taiwan. I’ll ask you, it wasn’t reported here much, but I saw that there were some issues going on in Taiwan, some protests going on here a month or so back, or a few weeks back. Can you tell us what that was about? What was going on?

Jeff: Well, the media here is no different than the United States or Europe or anyplace else. It is totally controlled by the government, just like the BBC and the New York Times. We don’t see those protests on TV here, or they give you the impression that it is insignificant. So the only place you can actually see them is on social media like TikTok and YouTube, etc. We live in a little town of 85,000 people, up at 530 meters above sea level, right at the foothills of the 4,000-meter mountain range right behind us. And so our town, there’s nothing… The town that the PLA would attack is Taichung, which is 35 kilometers away from us, down on the coast, and it has 3 million people.

I have not heard of any protests there. All the protests are taking place in Taipei, the capital, because that’s where the executive is, that’s where all the government people are, etc. And I have seen photos, I have seen film footage on TikTok and YouTube of some pretty big protests because the government just came out with a… in fact, I even wrote an article about it. They just came out with a new bill, the DPP, the Democratic Progressive Party, basically the American puppet party, came out with a new 19-point plan to basically return Taiwan to military law, martial law, which they were under from 1949 until 1984, I think, or ’85.

Garland: It was a fascist dictatorship.

Jeff: Fascist dictatorship. And they want to return to that, purging people, going after mainland sympathizers, etc., etc., etc. And so that’s why I do not discuss any politics with Taiwanese at all, because I believe that Taiwan is an integral part of mainland China, and I don’t want to get kicked off the island for expressing my views. So, they are trying to push Taiwan into another martial law-type situation. And so there are protests, and they’re pretty big. I saw one that was probably close to 100,000 people.

Garland: Wow.

Jeff: Huge. It’s just a huge, huge, huge protest. And there are a lot of protests going on. The problem is, Garland, is that only about 3% of the people in… well, and of course, do you believe the polls? That’s another problem. How honest are they? But according to the official polls, which are government polls or government-influenced polls, only 3% of the people want to rejoin mainland China. Now, about 60 or 70% want to maintain the status quo, which is basically quasi-independent, etc. And then about 20% want independence. Something along those lines. I may be off 5%.

Garland: Right. Yeah, yeah. That’s similar to numbers I’ve heard.

Jeff: So the independent people are an important plurality, but it’s still only like 20%. So everybody just wants to not rock the boat, keep things the way they are. And as far as mainland China is concerned, hell or high water, whatever happens, Taiwan will be reintegrated into the motherland before 2049, which is the 100th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic of China, when China became a communist country with Mao Zedong.

So for the Chinese, for the mainland, they’ve got lots of time. They’re not in any rush, but I think they’re just waiting for things to kind of see where things fall. But they have 2049 as their deadline. And so they’re just going to wait and see what shakes out. And if they get pushed into a war, they’ll try to end it as quickly as possible. They’ve got three aircraft carriers now, two fully functional. One is in the testing stage. They can now land a stealth fighter on their aircraft carriers. The United States can’t do that.

Garland: Well, here’s the other thing, too. A recent article came out about US military capacity, and one of the things they said is that due to maintenance and age, and all the other things, the US can only really field about four aircraft carriers. If there was a… so the US doesn’t have 11. We’ve got 11, but they can really only field about four in a theater at any given time. So it’s just like you see so many of these other Western countries whose military is deteriorating.

They’ve given up so much, they’ve used so much, everything’s so deteriorated that they can’t really put up what they want. That’s why I think the US’s whole plan is we’ll get the Philippines and Australia, and South Korea. It’s another Ukraine. In a way, I almost feel like the US doesn’t even want to get involved in a war. They want their proxies to go to war with China, and they want to sit back and direct them like Ukraine and say, “Go on, off you suckers, and die.”

I feel like that’s really the plan that they would like to do is, “You guys go out there and do the dying and disrupt China.” And that way, China’s business partners will be blown to shreds, seriously damaged, China will be seriously damaged, and we won’t take a hit. And then afterwards, it’ll be like the end of World War II. Russia and the Europeans go ahead and fight it all out, and afterwards they’re all flat, black, crispy, and blown up. And Asia. “Hey, guess what? We’re the only ones left standing.” It almost seems like that’s the plan. We only got about two minutes, but your thoughts?

Jeff: Well, the one last thing that I will say is that one of the reasons I think that the United States is talking tough, since I am a co-founder and the curator of the Bioweapon Truth Commission, is I think it’s very possible that Fort Detrick, near where you live, if you’re in Maryland, according to the chyron down below, that they may have developed a coronavirus with a genetic marker for Hans to kill Hans. And that’s a real possibility. And that may be why they’re talking tough.

Garland: It wouldn’t surprise me. And if I were the Chinese and I had the Chinese Institute of Virology and all of the stuff the Chinese have, I would suspect the same thing, and I would be setting myself up to be able to defend myself against them, which I’m sure the Chinese aren’t stupid, and they are. Anyway, but for the US to go into biowarfare again, because I don’t know if you saw my stuff, I’m convinced that… I did a… I don’t know if you ever saw my video I did on my Substack about that, but to me, the evidence is overwhelming that the coronavirus started from Fort Detrick.

Jeff: Oh, of course.

Garland: Overwhelming to me, it’s glaringly obvious that it did. That’s my position: that the whole COVID started from Fort Detrick. Whether or not people can argue whether it was intentional or not, there’s strong evidence…

Jeff: A way too intentional.

Garland: Yeah, yeah. Well, I’m saying people can argue about that. That’s okay. Fine. You can believe it was, you can believe it wasn’t. But if you look at the evidence of whether it came from Fort Detrick, it becomes overwhelming. At any rate, thanks a lot. We need to get together and talk about that sometime, too.

Jeff: Absolutely. Thank you for having me on, Garland.

Garland: Certainly appreciate it.

Jeff: And looking forward to promoting your work. Let me know the Rumble or YouTube, or whatever, and then I will promote it. I’ll also get a transcript of it and get that published.

Garland: Thanks a lot, man. Alright. Talk to you soon.

Jeff: I will give you a Buddhist bow. Thank you.

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